Quote from Jander:
[1] The point 1s that you have drawn in that coincide with previous pt3's in the channel: are these drawn in hindsight or as they are developing? Typically in the past we have fanned at these "channel walkout" points and Im not sure how you'd recognize the need to begin a new, shallower channel at these points. Have you given up fanning in lieu of beginning a new channel at each pt3 ?
I 'recycle' my Point Three into a New Point One, rather than, use the Original Point One because I 'see' the market in terms of 'rolling through' various points instead of starting and stopping on those points of change. I annotate my channels in real time, and when Price breaks a RTL on decreasing Volume, we often have yet to see the end of the current trend. In other words, the channel needs changing because the trend did not change. When a particular channel continues on for quite some time, I may need to use the most recent 'trough' of Price (most likely a flaw, but could be an FBO point) for the New Point One - rather than go all the way back to the Point Three. This is the way I fan my channels as I feel it gives me the best view of the actual market. Others, who may view things differently might draw their fanned channels differently. I posted on this topic before. You may want to review that post to see the specific examples I use.
Quote from Jander:
[2] Are there any practical advantages in drawing/recognizing pennants in regards to trading them? The ones you have drawn very rarely follow their 'universal TA' application in breaking the horizontal--which is not surprising as they are only 2-3 bars. I understand that these are signified by decreasing volume, so naturally you'd wait to see increasing vol to determine direction--but isnt this always the case?
I don't subscribe to any Universal TA applications with respect to Pennant formations. As I have indicated in the past, Pennants create a place where one can watch the market briefly pause, as it provides an opportunity for those studying these methods, to know the right side of the market. By using the YM as a 'trigger' for trend direction, one can often enter the trade using the ES - prior to - actual Formation BO. Trading within these formations requires use of the fine level tools. Finally, no. One does not always see increasing Volume on a formation break out. In addition, even with increasing Volume, Formation FBO's occur. Some of these formation FBO's involve changes in market sentiment - while others, do not.
Quote from Jander:
[3] Quite a few of the FTTs you have drawn in toward the end of the day (1:30-3:30) are also VEs on smaller fractals, including the shallower channels referenced in [1] above. Does this not defeat the purpose of the FTT in the first place? Every (or almost every) FTT we get can be drawn to be a VE on a shallower channel. Have I misinterpreted the ftt as a change signal of trend, when in actuality it only signifies a change in pace?
Most 'shallower' channels become higher fractal channels once one annotates an 'accelerated channel' inside them. I continue to leave these 'shallower' channels in place for those trading on different resolution levels than my own. technically, one can always find another channel up the totem pole, but that really isn't the point of this methodology.
FTT's do not signal a change in pace. They signal a Change in Sentiment. How long this sentiment change remains in effect, and how far Price travels in the process has nothing to do with an FTT. That domino has already fallen. One then needs to look for the remaining dominos in the sequence in order to determine what must come next.
- Spydertrader
