Spydertrader's Jack Hershey Futures Trading Journal

Status
Not open for further replies.
Quote from ivob:

Can anyone pls comment on my question regarding recognizing a point three? What are your experiences with this?

regards,
Ivo

The retrace before a point 3 is often hesitant, uncertain and a little shy. The new point 3 bar is thrusting and confident and tripping over itself to be noticed.

YMMV.
 
Quote from ivob:

Hi,

I have always been focussing more on identifying FTT's than on point 3's. Could you please elaborate on the volume of a point 3 and in general on how to recognize this?

I mean, on a downtrend you see FTT (pt 1). Price breaks thru RTL on usually low volume. Then goes up one or a few bars (pt 2) and then goes down on lower volume and stays above the FTT. Now we are waiting for pt3 to be established and price to resume going up. What do we see? Higher volume? A (mini)FTT? Is there any post about this?

regards,
Ivo

Ivob, it helps to think in terms of the volume gaussians. Right before a FTT occurs, you are on the dominant traverse of the channel, what does the volume look like? Increasing red volume (because you are in a down trend). A FTT occurs (pt 1 of new up channel) and we have a non-dominant retrace so we expect decreasing black volume (note that we are still in the down channel). Price breaks the RTL, and we should start seeing increasing black indicating we have the new dominant up channel (B2B is here).

When price starts retracing we have point 2 of the up channel and we are looking for pt 3 of the channel. During the retrace we are looking for decreasing red volume, eventually price will turn and we expecting increasing black volume. When we have the volume pattern mentioned above we have the pt 3 of the channel.

Let me just throw out another possibility here for you. Lets assume that when the price broke the RTL, we continued to see decreasing black volume. What does that tell you? Basically price is operating within a much wider channel that is either drawn in your chart or not drawn. If it is not drawn, you are basically going to start looking for the point 3 of the wider channel and when you get the shift from decreasing black to increasing red you have pt 3 of the wider channel and you can draw the channel.

If you have any questions let me know
 
Thanks a lot for your answer bi9foot

Quote from bi9foot:



Let me just throw out another possibility here for you. Lets assume that when the price broke the RTL, we continued to see decreasing black volume. What does that tell you?
If you have any questions let me know

I'd say we need increasing black volume quickly to confirm the break of RTL and the sentiment change.

However, sometimes it's not that clear. I mean, we can see low black volume and think it's just a retrace of the downtrend. The next bar can be low red volume and the next one high black volume meaning uptrend confirmed. Sometimes we just need to wait one or two bars. However, this can be just enough to cause price to go quickly against you.

I guess it is experience that we need. My (little) experience tells me that when we see an FTT (on downtrend for example) and price goes towards RTL and we see very little volume while price is exactly at RTL or right before that's a good sign it will go thru on the next bar. And we need to be very carefull if it doesn't and we have a position. Like last Friday this happened a few times on strong downtrend. However, as a beginner we wait for pt 2 and 3 to be established.

regards,
Ivo
 
Quote from PointOne:

The retrace before a point 3 is often hesitant, uncertain and a little shy. The new point 3 bar is thrusting and confident and tripping over itself to be noticed.

YMMV.

Ok I understand. I suppose we do have to wait for some increasing price action and volume. Because after we open a long position on decreasing red colume assuming we have a pt 3 another red bar may follow..and another one.. I guess in this case YM should give some clues.

regards,
Ivo
 
This is one tough day to nail down. In 2 months of annotating I have never seen such little followthrough bar to bar. I suspect it's an artifact of the huge range on Friday.
 
Quote from bundlemaker:

This is one tough day to nail down. In 2 months of annotating I have never seen such little followthrough bar to bar. I suspect it's an artifact of the huge range on Friday.

Yep, continuation, change, continuation change... etc.. and that on short channels...

:(

tufie... fer sure...

cj...
 
It's still winter here in Ohio. I look out my window and I see a small Forest across the street. If I look more closely, I can even pick out an individual Tree. While Spring normally brings back the leaves onto the trees, I don't pay much attention until Autumn. In the Fall, the leaves all change color. Since it's still winter, I have no need to go looking for color changes in the leaves. For now, All I can see is ......

The Forest and The Tree ....

- Spydertrader

<img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1358651>
 

Attachments

Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top