SPY Weeklys vs SPX Weeklys

[bc1]

It is my understanding with SPX and SPXPM, even though you are placing your trade electronically with your broker, (I use TOS and OE), they still go to a pit where someone who represents your broker vocally calls out your trade where someone else takes the trade. That is what the TOS guys were saying anyway.

I trade the mark/midpoint and sometimes it gets traded immediately and sometimes it sits for a while which usually happens just after the price moves against you. TOS only allows a bid to the nearest nickle which is a downside. If the price really moves against me, sometimes I have to cancel and drop down a nickle or so.

 

[rmorse]

Quote from bc1:

It is my understanding with SPX and SPXPM, even though you are placing your trade electronically with your broker, (I use TOS and OE), they still go to a pit where someone who represents your broker vocally calls out your trade where someone else takes the trade. That is what the TOS guys were saying anyway.

I trade the mark/midpoint and sometimes it gets traded immediately and sometimes it sits for a while which usually happens just after the price moves against you. TOS only allows a bid to the nearest nickle which is a downside. If the price really moves against me, sometimes I have to cancel and drop down a nickle or so.

Your order will either be entered electronically into the CBOE order book, or routed to a broker. Very few online brokers use floor brokers. Also, your order can't be represented in both places or you can receive two executions.

 

[FSU]

Quote from bc1:

It is my understanding with SPX and SPXPM, even though you are placing your trade electronically with your broker, (I use TOS and OE), they still go to a pit where someone who represents your broker vocally calls out your trade where someone else takes the trade. That is what the TOS guys were saying anyway.

Not exactly true.

SPXPM

A singly listed product on the C2 (separate exchange owned by the CBOE) This is an all electronic exchange. Multiple market makers send quotes in electronically. There are no pits/open outcry brokers. Shouldn't matter what broker you use as all trades done electronically. If you see and offer/bid you can hit it and be filled instantly

SPX

Still a physical pit with open outcry at the CBOE. Quotes are sent by only one market maker (which is one reason they are so wide). Quotes can also be put up by a broker representing an order or entered into the electronic book by a customer. If you see a bid or offer you may or may not be filled as if it was put up by a broker, your broker must find him and make the trade. If the order is in the electronic book, it will be traded instantly. Each brokerage house works differently here. For example, Interactive Brokers has their own brokers in the pit. Other firms will use a contracted broker. Each firm has different "rules" for their orders based on size, etc, on whether they go to a broker or into the exchanges electronic books. Here a good broker may make a difference with your fills.

SPXW (SPX weeklies)

These are on the CBOE's Hybid system. Quotes are sent in by many market makers and can only be put up electronically. If you see a bid/offer you can trade it instantly.

 

[bc1]

Thanks for the info. I've been trying some credit spreads at various strikes OTM on the weekly. A week ago I thought my 1400/1405 spread would have expired OTM but no luck.

I'm kinda in a quandry as I have a slightly bullish bias but know a pull back for profit taking is coming. I suppose on Monday I'll put on an IC at 6 strikes out. Not a lot of premium but conservative for a weekly. I haven't tried any yet but I may try some debit spreads which may be better to trade the chop.