SPX vs SPY - your experience with trading them?

Agree with most of what you said Kim but I would not place market orders for a multi-legged option strategy on days like yesterday (1-2% down), or rather would never place market orders on any option strategy. However tight the bid/ask is, it can move quite a bit by the time the order enters the system.

I agree. And personally I would never place market orders. But sometimes you need to get out of position quickly, and this is when market orders can be useful.

My point was that SPY is probably the only product where you can use market share orders on some extreme cases, and get away with it with relatively small damage. It is not possible with SPX or any other underlying.
 
Few comments:

Liquidity:

SPY has very "tight" bid/ask spreads. This helps planning because one has a pretty could idea of the execution price. It also enables the use of market orders which are easier and can execute much quicker than limit orders.

SPX, on the other hand, has a relatively wide bid/ask spread when compared to SPY. This means that limit orders are a must. That means some "bargaining" with the price and much slower execution. It is more time intensive, less precise and one never really knows if they received the best price.

Some traders prefer ETFs like SPY or IWM due to better liquidity. What they often forget is the fact that Index options are 10 times bigger product, so 20 cents spread on SPX is equivalent to 2 cents spread on SPY. For example, spread of 10.00/10.50 on SPX would be equivalent to 1.00/1.05 on SPY. The slippage on SPX is usually no more than 10-15 cents which is 1-1.5 cents on SPY.


Commissions:

Buying less contracts means a significant difference in commissions. For example: if you buy one lot of 10 strike SPX Iron Condor, you will trade 8 round trip contracts. At $1/contract, that's $8 or 0.8% of the $1,000 margin. Buy 10 lots of 1 strike SPY Iron Condor - and the commissions jump to $80 or 8% of the $1,000 margin.


Tax Treatment Differences:

SPX tax treatment is significantly better than SPY. SPY has an advantage in LEAPS, but from a practical point of view, it can't even come close to the advantages offered SPX. Remember, it's not what you make it's what you keep that matters.
Why would you say that spy has an advantage in leaps?
 
Normally SPY options are treated as short term gains (vs. SPX that gets special treatment), but LEAPS can be treated as long term gains if you hold them more than a year. At least this is my understanding, but I'm not a tax expert so I can be wrong.
 
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