SPX Credit Spread Trader

Ahh OK we finally got the right strikes lol. RIght now the 1650/1665 has a b/a of $2.80/$3.60. If you received $2.50 then so far not a major loss. The market did pull back some from its high and I do agree we are a little overbought. I saw the SPX hit resistance and pull back and close under 1220, just barely though.

I do not expect any strong up day tomorrow absent any major tech company news so you might get some profit taking. Either way, you should begin to keep a tight reign on the position so that worst case scenario you take a limited loss as opposed to a much larger one.

Adjusting up is not really an option given the fact that there are not many strikes much higher (a downside to using the NDX for this strategy). One thing is to set up two different risk management stops. The first is at the long-term high you keep referring to. If the market breaks that high, then it will most likely keep running higher. You can decide to hold on unless that high of 1629? is broken. This way you have a clear signal to hold or get out with a limited loss.

You could also set up a predetermined loss limit and decide that if the spread vlauye reaches X, you will close it out. So if your $2.50 credit spread cost $3.75 to close you get out.

I think you still have room between now and 1629 but my advice is to use an option calcuator and plug in the NDX values using current IV and then move the NDX to 1629 and see what the price of the spread will be. This way you can know in advance approximately how much you might lose if you use 1629 as your stop loss level.

Phil

Quote from piccon:

Yes.

NDVKM/NDVKN 1650/1665

I am going to leve it as is for now. I will wait next couple days

Thanks
 
I believe that places with people on the floor trading SPX will get you better fills then simply placing a limit order with your broker and letting it sit because they are right on the front lines and can find the MMs which can tighten the spreads for them and get filled. But if you use a broker that has people on the floor and you can access them, you can still get the same benefit.

I have called Thinkorswim a few times and asked them to help me get a fill on a spread and they called down to their guy on the floor to help get it filled. To test I placed the same orders at OX and Tos at the same price and ToS got it filled when I called in 5 minutes and OX did not get it filled at all until I lowered it another $0.05. Big difference considering the number of contracts I do.

My advice for these spreads if you are going to do nice volume is to go to ToS (tell em Coach Phil sent you, great bunch of guys there) and call the trading desk to place your spread orders.

Nothing will beat major institutions with guys on the floor bu in my opinion, Thinkorswim comes pretty close for us retailers.

Phil


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Phil:

Do Institutional option traders get better pricing on transactions than what is available to retail traders like OX, ToS, or IB?? If so, what kind of level allows institutional designation? Do you know of any institutional option brokerages?

Thanks
 
Well, I ended up going long a 1255/1265 call spread at .40. Only did 10 contracts, and it is only a third or so of my profits that I have closed out in the last couple of weeks.

It is good to see how the other side lives, :cool: but for some reason I feel like I just bought a lottery ticket. :confused:
 
Coach,

How about using, say, 20% of your DEC credit and buying some SPX 1250/1260 (or something like that) bull call spreads?



Quote from optioncoach:

Cody:

Here are my current positions:

- 90 SPX NOV 1150/1160 Put Spreads @ $0.65

- 300 SPX DEC 1135/1140 Put Spreads @ $0.30


I closed the other put spread I had for NOV at the 1100/1115 strikes to free up margin for DEC.

Basically I am in put only mode as I am bullish the rest of the year. I do not want to get aggressive and add calls because I simply want to add to my returns and not put them at higher risk. Remember the caution I kept stressing about adding calls for NOV at 1240? Still may turn out ok but after today's run up it is getting close with 2 weeks left. Got to be careful about not remembering what the overall market is doing and NOV is usually a good month.

So for now and DEC I am in puts only. I only used a portion of my margin for DEC so I will grab more premium when the opportunity presents itself, perhaps a nice down day or pause in the market. We will most likely bounce back off of the 1220/1225 resistance for a day or so. I will watch to make sure we do not run back to 1200 and look for some additional puts.

My goal is to just coast casually into the end of the year to protect my returns for the year and simply add a few more percentage points to the 24.1% return. Got to be careful of scaling up to fast just because of a string of success or moving well beyond your comfortable margin limit.

Phil
 
Should we take that as a sign it's time to sell calls? LOL

Quote from Agyar:

Well, I ended up going long a 1255/1265 call spread at .40. Only did 10 contracts, and it is only a third or so of my profits that I have closed out in the last couple of weeks.

It is good to see how the other side lives, :cool: but for some reason I feel like I just bought a lottery ticket. :confused:
:D
 
Phil,

Do you know where I can find a free options calculator to calculate option prices? I'm just want to play around with it, and use it for what if scenarios when SPX approaches short strikes.

Thank you
 
Actually,

With 13.9% volatility, the probability NDX finishes below 1650 (my short Strike) is 76%. Is it worth waiting?

Cheers

Quote from optioncoach:

Ahh OK we finally got the right strikes lol. RIght now the 1650/1665 has a b/a of $2.80/$3.60. If you received $2.50 then so far not a major loss. The market did pull back some from its high and I do agree we are a little overbought. I saw the SPX hit resistance and pull back and close under 1220, just barely though.

I do not expect any strong up day tomorrow absent any major tech company news so you might get some profit taking. Either way, you should begin to keep a tight reign on the position so that worst case scenario you take a limited loss as opposed to a much larger one.

Adjusting up is not really an option given the fact that there are not many strikes much higher (a downside to using the NDX for this strategy). One thing is to set up two different risk management stops. The first is at the long-term high you keep referring to. If the market breaks that high, then it will most likely keep running higher. You can decide to hold on unless that high of 1629? is broken. This way you have a clear signal to hold or get out with a limited loss.

You could also set up a predetermined loss limit and decide that if the spread vlauye reaches X, you will close it out. So if your $2.50 credit spread cost $3.75 to close you get out.

I think you still have room between now and 1629 but my advice is to use an option calcuator and plug in the NDX values using current IV and then move the NDX to 1629 and see what the price of the spread will be. This way you can know in advance approximately how much you might lose if you use 1629 as your stop loss level.

Phil
 
Quote from piccon:

Actually,

With 13.9% volatility, the probability NDX finishes below 1650 (my short Strike) is 76%. Is it worth waiting?

Cheers

How did you find that volatility for NDX is 13.9%?
 
OX should give you the realtime IV for the specific index. Actually it's 14.29 from OX. The 13.9 is from another site and it's from yesterday close ; they update it every other day. So the real IV for 1650 NDX is 14.29 as of 6.52PM today

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How did you find that volatility for NDX is 13.9%?
 
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