SPX Credit Spread Trader

Quote from riskarb:



No trade beats the expectancy argument[execution-edge]

Could you please explain what this mean ? I though when you put on a trade, you already have negative expectancy due to commissions and slippage.

, but as I've stated numerous times -- it's best to be long upside and short downside gamma -- long otm/short atm. This naturally structures the book in long flies and condors, either natural or synthetic[irons].

Since ATM credit spread has short side ATM and long OTM, would it fit this criteria ?

Thanks
 
Quote from riskarb:

Your competition is the steamroller bearing down on you when you're picking up those nickels. As Dr. Z suggested; there is huge edge-loss in selling those otm call spreads. Some of the cheapest gamma I've ever seen, therefore the most leveraged to gamma^2. Lov vols = cheap gamma. OTM = cheap gamma. Negative call skew = cheap gamma.

If the vol smile was flat you'd get nearly TWICE as much for your call spreads.

If you guys/gals are going to continue down this road... make every attempt to sell near-atm premium, or consider trading atm/otm condors and flies. If you continue to be led down the primrose path, then at the very least buy some term-structure vega in calendars.

No trade beats the expectancy argument[execution-edge], but as I've stated numerous times -- it's best to be long upside and short downside gamma -- long otm/short atm. This naturally structures the book in long flies and condors, either natural or synthetic[irons].

Your competition doesn't control the market; they know that the gamma you're selling them can't get any cheaper, therein lies their edge.

I've said my peace and I won't clutter this thread any further -- good luck.

I would add that another advantage is selling atm is better liquidity.

The "disadvantage" in selling atm is the increased likelihood in being wrong and therefore having to protect the position with the underlying. The "advantage"--not a real one, mind you--of otm is the high likelihood of being right. People like being right and hate taking or experiencing losses--hence, the appeal of the credit spread.

I just received a friendly pm from someone asking me what I do about getting whipsawed. I said that is simply the cost of doing business of selling atm.

I USEd to sell otm calls late in rallies. Nasty habit.
 
I do appreciate all the constructive criticizm from you more experienced option traders. I'm certainly not using a large portion of capitol on this particular strategy, and your comments are very fair. On other threads it has been pointed out there is no "perfect" type of option, and I'm certainly still learning other strategies. As I learn, hopefully, and as market conditions dictate I will have the flexibility and open mind to try other methods and strategies.
 
Quote from DonnaV:

I do appreciate all the constructive criticism from you more experienced option traders. I'm certainly not using a large portion of capitol on this particular strategy, and your comments are very fair. On other threads it has been pointed out there is no "perfect" type of option, and I'm certainly still learning other strategies. As I learn, hopefully, and as market conditions dictate I will have the flexibility and open mind to try other methods and strategies.

My thoughts exactly! I think the constructive criticism of this group is the best part. Anybody can throw out a real or potential trade and within a short time you get all sorts of feedback. I follow some other options boards on the net and this is by far the best.

With my 1240/1250 spread, I saw the market rally and wanted to sell some call spreads into it. I'm looking for the market to settle a bit now that the Bernanke appointment has been made and GDP numbers coming later in the week. Maybe I am being a little too aggressive, will have to watch and see. I'm still evaluating the put side, may a 1120/1130 or a 1125/1135 spread.

ryan
 
XSP starts trading today (mini SPX options). I know there has been some chatter here and on other boards about them but I haven't paid that much attention. What is the difference between the SPY and XSP other than American vs. European settlement?

ryan
 
SPY is a standard and poor product that they own and mini-SPX is a CBOE product. It is just a competition thing really. Also, the SPY has some slippage due to the cost and lag of the tracking stock while the mini-SPX is simply the SPX divided by 10. The difference is probably too minor to matter. Bottom line it is just CBOE trying to keep its hold on index products and compete with the SPY.

Phil

Quote from ryank:

XSP starts trading today (mini SPX options). I know there has been some chatter here and on other boards about them but I haven't paid that much attention. What is the difference between the SPY and XSP other than American vs. European settlement?

ryan
 
XSP premiums at certain strikes are slightly lower than the same strike counterpart on SPY. For example 121 SPY ask is $0.30 more than XSP 121 ask. Looks like long hedges might be better on XSP but this is only the first day of trading....
 
This actually gives you some flexibility for NOV since you can either sell a lower strike call for a credit spread or if a bigger move is expected sell a higher strike call for more than $0.55 for a risk-free trade. Keep your options open either way.

phil

Quote from DonnaV:

Just to clarify...I BOUGHT nov 1250 at .55 have NOT sold the spread YET....
 
riskarb and others,

What makes this thread special.... is your willingness to share. Please, feel free to clutter.... it has been a great learning experience and is appreciated.

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