SPX Credit Spread Trader

Quote from yip1997:

Coach,

Thanks a lot for this wonderful thread. I have learned a lot in this thread.

I wish all of us will have a bigger success in the coming year, and continue with the original spirit of this thread - discussion on trading strategies. No more fights nor personal attacks. :D

Yip, pm me. Uglyboy
 
Quote from GMarshall:

I have been using a strategy similar to yours since 03 but with s&p futures, the main difference being the position is naked, I use t-bills as margin instead of cash.

One of the problems I have had with this strategy is as you begin to accrue profits and profits accrue regularly, it is tempting to reinvest gains & increase position size, yet the danger is, when the inevitable blowout occurs you could wipe out most of your gains if you have added too much to your position size.

One of the problems with trading multiple indicies is risk tends to be too correlated.In the event of a crash all the indicies will get killed at once.

I have been looking for ways to diversify/spread risk and reinvest profits, by looking at other types of trading & markets, I did look at spreads on equities but again most of the liquid optionable equities have too much correlated risk to the S&P. When the S&P takes a dive they almost all get hit together.

I found good diversification and liquidity in futures such as silver,soybeans coffee etc ,I was wondering if you had tried a similar strategy with commodities, would you consider going naked in any of these markets with the benefit of SPAN margin or do you always go for spreads.

Regards

GM

i traded similarly this year to you; but with some differences. i would of course be interested in others who share these experiences.
i traded er2 naked. 12% to 15% otm. i spent 5% to 10% of each months earnings buying debit spreads just above shorts and more recently long qqqq puts(which i am leaning toward because i can buy a large amount for little and have a major impact)

er2 gives 1pt to es .5 for the same margin. i took out my earnings (70k) and plan on paying taxes.

this year (2007, but started in dec2006)
i will exclusively do spreads the same distance out, trying to credit 1pt plus for each. i generally will have some more longs than shorts in the spread, and hedged with long qqqq's.
the margin requirement is very , very small, so to answer your point about adding to the position with earnings....yes i do. i am confident that reducing the chances of needing to manage the position by being wotm is one of the only ways to generate actual , reliable income. with or without the hedges in place i have and will continue to roll another 7% otm if necessary. that would mean a 19% to 22% drop before i start to lose money. with more long puts than short, this is all possible.
i will add; i have been doing this for 12 years fine tuning all along the way.

i have seen and endured the big drops, it take very clear thinking. one cannot over emphasize management.

also, it was nice to see riskarb posting on that other board. if anyone knows where he may be active; i would appreciate a pm. thanks
 
End of Year:

1.Pretty much given up on IC and credit spreads. I just don't get it.

2. Learned about TOS, calendars and DD, an acquaintence of vega and volty.

3. Gradually decreasing my trading losses.

4. Learned a painful lesson in following "expert" on specific trades -- attended virtual trader seminar and got clobbered on the trades.

5. Made improvements in trading plan and style.

The new year, I will focus on

1. understanding and implementing: Position size, Positive expectency -- risk/reward, probability.

3. Continue my small lot trading until I feel comfortable with the new trading style.

4. Expand and improve my trading plan.

Thanks to all for your help and advice.

BTW, here is a link for a FREE 64 mb usb flash drive http://www.maniaplay.com/giveaway.php
 
Excellent journal.

Out of curiousity, wanted to know whether options on futures provided larger premiums than their index counterparts.

For example, does the ES 1500 call yield the same amount of premium than the SPX 1500 call or are the premiums lower or higher?

I do not currently trade options on futures but would like to do so for 2007. Unfortunately, I cannot compare premiums myself as ToS does not offer this as of yet :(

TIA.
 
Best idea is if a particular trading stlye does not fit or match your trading personality then move on to something that does!

Good Luck!

Quote from cdowis:

End of Year:

1.Pretty much given up on IC and credit spreads. I just don't get it.

.....

3. Continue my small lot trading until I feel comfortable with the new trading style.

4. Expand and improve my trading plan.

...

 
Quote from ChrisM:

In June "Futures" article "The options dilemma" comparing SPX options vs. ES.

If someone pointed that out before - sorry, I recently have had no time to follow the thread post by post.

If someone don`t like the article - do not shoot me with your sarcasm please. Just dont read it.

Found this post earlier in the thread (July 2006). If anyone has a link to this article or point me to where I can locate it, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks
 
Option prices are similar between the futures options and index options. If there was a real price advantage to one or the other, it would quickly be arbed away.

You will see different prices in the scenario you asked about below. ES is the SP500 emini futures contract. The futures contract has a premium over the SP index itself. So to compare the SPX 1500 call, you would need to look at the ES 1505 call (or thereabouts, depending on PREM). Not a big difference, but just to be clear...

Which is not to say there aren't significant differences between trading ES and SPX options. Keep reading (or search) the thread and you will come across multiple discussions on the topic.

Quote from Optionspoet:

For example, does the ES 1500 call yield the same amount of premium than the SPX 1500 call or are the premiums lower or higher?
 
Quote from Optionspoet:

Found this post earlier in the thread (July 2006). If anyone has a link to this article or point me to where I can locate it, it would be much appreciated.

Thanks

The article mainly discussed the difference between span margin and reg-T. It said you can get higher leverage and lower commission trading future options.
 
Quote from jeffm:

Which is not to say there aren't significant differences between trading ES and SPX options. Keep reading (or search) the thread and you will come across multiple discussions on the topic.

Jeff,

1. I think we just have to be aware of the underlying futures based that the options are priced especially if we are trading time spreads.
2. Future options are settle with future contracts except at future expiration month.

Please let me know what else we have to consider as I am moving to trade future options this year too.
 
CME has some great mini-Brochures on the e-mini futures and options on futures. I think just a quick read through one of those is enough to highlight any significant differences or lay out its basic characteristics.
 
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