SPX Credit Spread Trader

Quote from augiedixit:

This is for DonnaV,

I read in your earlier post of 3/17/06 about 10 day overbought Oscillator and also 30 day overbought oscillator. Donna, what are these oscillator and where I can find them. Is there any charting website that allows you to check this oscillators.

If you don't mind sharing, what other technical indicators do you use to identify overbought/oversold market conditions.

Thanks for your help.

I really wish I knew how to do these oscillators...thats next on my learning agenda because they seem to be very helpful in my legging into the spx (especially)...again not pinpoint accuracy but helpful. I subscribe to Realmoney.com to read Helene Meisler's take and she is the one that does them...I've been following her oscillators now for abt 2 yrs and while I don't make them my only buy or sell...for me they've been helpful in the timing.
 
Quote from kartik_subbarao:

I've been thinking some more about the ratio diagonal spreads approach discussed by Murray. In order to put on the spread for even money or a credit, it seems that the separation between the strikes needs to be fairly wide (30+?)

I'm curious how one would manage risk in a scenario like the October-December timeframe. With SPX around 1180 at the end of October, if one had done a diagonal call spread for breakeven or credit, and wanted to go way OTM, you'd need to choose something like the Nov 1220/Dec 1250.

At November expiration, SPX closed around 1240. Looking at the historic SPX option prices (I've been collecting my own daily data for the last several months), I couldn't find an easy way to adjust where you wouldn't be out a good chunk of change. SPX moved very rapidly higher in that timeframe, and volatility/time weren't enough to compensate.

Any thoughts on when and how one would best adjust in this scenario? From Murray's original post, calendars look quite rosy and I'm wondering if there's something that I'm not seeing. Because during Nov/Dec of last year, I see a possible worst case scenario for calendars which could easily repeat itself when volatility increases in the future.

Your are making some vary valid points...this 1st quarter we could have done just about anything and looked good...my concerns as well what if/when vol rises can you get whipsawed out of position. My guess is you would just close one side or the other at small loss or gain rather than try to adjust too much...but don't know. I think you have to do this over a long period of time to find what works and doesn't. Also yes...Murray said it IS very margin intensive.
 
Quote from DonnaV:

I really wish I knew how to do these oscillators...thats next on my learning agenda because they seem to be very helpful in my legging into the spx (especially)...again not pinpoint accuracy but helpful. I subscribe to Realmoney.com to read Helene Meisler's take and she is the one that does them...I've been following her oscillators now for abt 2 yrs and while I don't make them my only buy or sell...for me they've been helpful in the timing.

edit: I'm giving her credit for doing them...but I think they are generic and she uses them
 
Quote from DonnaV:

wow...this is very interesting..do you see any use of this as hedge to cboe options that expire 3rd fri...or playing them off each other?...otoh we could do our IC's twice a month!


Donna,

our basic problem (Option CTAs) is, that we have to report our results monthly. As you know, opening positions usually makes your equity (depends on fills) somewhat dipped, so to keep numbers smooth we open new ones after 1st day of the month.

I am not sure if there will be so many series, I`d rather say that monthly expirations might be our future, depending on market acceptance.
 
Quote from ChrisM:

Donna,

our basic problem (Option CTAs) is, that we have to report our results monthly. As you know, opening positions usually makes your equity (depends on fills) somewhat dipped, so to keep numbers smooth we open new ones after 1st day of the month.

I am not sure if there will be so many series, I`d rather say that monthly expirations might be our future, depending on market acceptance.

Thanks Chris I can certainly see how it benefits MManagers...I wonder how it will affect the CBOE's spx series will it just be retail..anyway it will be interesting.

I'm currently trying to close my Apr 1200/1210 puts at .20...bought 1215 april puts to do another spread in the next few days (or even today..legging in). Right now see very little real opportunity in the market so will put cash to use on more spx spreads.
 
Just to clarify, I believe the end of the month options are on ES futures fro the CME, no? Not the SPX. That is what I remember reading.

If that is the case, then it will add another layer of credit spreads for me :)
 
Quote from DonnaV:



I'm currently trying to close my Apr 1200/1210 puts at .20...bought 1215 april puts to do another spread in the next few days (or even today..legging in). Right now see very little real opportunity in the market so will put cash to use on more spx spreads.

Not sure if I understand clearly - you bought 1215p first to build spread on it ?

1200/1215 - it is always easier to get out of such position if market makes little reverse north. You have a lot of space to hedge if this correction would be brutal.
 
Quote from optioncoach:

Just to clarify, I believe the end of the month options are on ES futures fro the CME, no? Not the SPX. That is what I remember reading.

If that is the case, then it will add another layer of credit spreads for me :)


Coach, looks like both, see yourself:

HICAGO, March 15, 2006 – CME, the world’s largest and most diverse financial exchange, announced today that it will launch end-of-month options, where the expiration date falls on last trading day of the month, for its CME S&P® 500 and CME E-mini S&P® 500 index futures in May 2006 using a European-style expiration. This is the first time CME is offering end-of-month options for its equity index line of products.
 
Quote from ChrisM:

Coach, looks like both, see yourself:

HICAGO, March 15, 2006 – CME, the world’s largest and most diverse financial exchange, announced today that it will launch end-of-month options, where the expiration date falls on last trading day of the month, for its CME S&P® 500 and CME E-mini S&P® 500 index futures in May 2006 using a European-style expiration. This is the first time CME is offering end-of-month options for its equity index line of products.

SPX is a cash index so options on it are index options that trade on CBOE. These are not the same as options on S&P 500 futures that trade on CME. So we got end-of-month options on futures NOT index options.
 
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