SPX Credit Spread Trader

I am just getting started developing my system for Credit Spreads on the SPX, but I am using between 40 and 50 percent of my "SPX Trading Capital Allocation". This allows me to both defend a position if it goes against me, and have the necessary capital to put on the next moths positions without having to bail out of the current month. I am sure there are other ways to conquer this problem, but this is working for me at the moment.

Also, I finally get up to speed on credit spreads and you guys change the channel to pregnant flies, baby files, adopted flies, bastard flies, etc... What gives??? :)

-Cash

Quote from optioncoach:

Honestly there is no correct way since wild price swings would offset theta with respect to entry. There are many ways you can time your entry but it will be quite difficult to devise a specific fixed rule without taking the SPX movement into account.

There is that one downside about waiting until after expiration because the time starts getting closer and theta starts making it harder to go as far OTM as you would have originally liked. SOme months it may be fine because you get some nice price swings after expiration which makes entry easy, other times you mught have to wait a week and theta shrinks the premiums even more.

One tip that I try and do occasionally when I can is to have two sets of money for spreads so they overlap. So while I am sitting on a MAR position, I still have cash margin set aside to roll into APRIL posiitons when they are in the 35 to 45 day to expiration zone. This way you enter the next month's position at the time you think is best as opposed to rushing in after expiration. Case in point is that while my FEB posiiton was in place I entered my MAR position. When FEB shrunk considerably, I took it off for a dime to grab that profit and free up the margin.

The best result is of course the market moves tremendously and you close out your current month position with time left to expiration and thus have plenty of time to enter into a position for the following month.

I think you need to be flexible. For example, right now, my plan is to simply ride everyting to MAR expiration and will not look into APR unless I have a great opportunity to close out the MAR position. THis might mean I do not have a great entry in APRIL so I might only take a small one and save some gunpoweder for MAY. It would be nice to load up each and every month but it just is not possible and overlap or holding to expiration may mean you skip a month while waiting for a better oportunity.

If you only have positions in 10 out of the 12 months, you still can make good money. So instead of forcing yourself into a position just to be into a position for that month's expiration, let the opportunities come to you. Sometimes you have to sacrifice a little. For example, I closed my JAN position the first week in Jan so that I would be free for the coming FEB expiration. That meant not taking the full profit on JAN in order to be ready for FEB. So I took maybe half the profit on the table so that I would not be handcuffed for FEB. I then overlapped FEB and MAR. Taking this approach will help you get in as many months as possible without chasing or forcing it.
 
Well its sweeps week so we are trying to keep the ratings up! Adding a little diversity of different ways to trade the SPX with spreads ;). Of course a godo JA pic keeps the ratings high but we do not want to offend Donna :)

Quote from CashCache:

I am just getting started developing my system for Credit Spreads on the SPX, but I am using between 40 and 50 percent of my "SPX Trading Capital Allocation". This allows me to both defend a position if it goes against me, and have the necessary capital to put on the next moths positions without having to bail out of the current month. I am sure there are other ways to conquer this problem, but this is working for me at the moment.

Also, I finally get up to speed on credit spreads and you guys change the channel to pregnant flies, baby files, adopted flies, bastard flies, etc... What gives??? :)

-Cash
 
My average on the MAR 1320/1325 CALLS is .55 (120 contracts in total) ... good fills.


Quote from skdoyle1:

Thanks for the bump,
95xMar 1325/1335 for .55

PS: I still don't buy all this fly stuff. Seems a little overly complex to me, but I'll wait and see. But then again I can't watch the market all day.
 
Use Stochastic, Moving Averages. You need to be able to hide your short above Resistance (calls) and below support (puts). Like today is a good day to get some calls.

Dow is overbought. I don't care about Bernake rally, I short the Dow. Time is on my side; I have 35 days to be right. The market will pull back because the Dow went to far too fast and S&P and NDX lagging.

I am looking at getting OEX 595/600 or 600/605. I am not sure yet.


Quote from chrdso:

Piccon, thanks for sharing your strategy.

1) What indicator (combination of indicators) do you use to determine overbought/oversold?

If stochastics, do you use slow/fast (14)????

2) Do you look for just crossovers or above 70/below 30


Thanks
 
This is an update of my RUT trade per your request:

10 RUT 770/780 for $1.00=1000

This morning I bought 8 IWM 74 @ 0.45 for hedging

$1000.00 RUT Credit
$360.00 IWM hedging => net credit 640.00

I will take the small profit anytime if I can reduce the loss possibility.


For now both are in the money.

I started only with 10 to test RUT. It seems pretty wild to me.
 
Quote from optioncoach:

Well its sweeps week so we are trying to keep the ratings up! Adding a little diversity of different ways to trade the SPX with spreads ;). Of course a godo JA pic keeps the ratings high but we do not want to offend Donna :)

I don't mind :) although an occasional "hunk" pic would be appreciated by ME...but I think we need to take a poll to have you start a NEW thread on B-FLY's....how abt it guys and gals?
 
I am not apposed to learning new things in this thread. How about if we watch what Coach is doing, and if it pans out the way he is predicting, then we decide if a new thread is needed.

I for one am somewhat confused when it comes to all these flies (almost need a fly swatter), but love the fact that I may be able to learn something new. You don't suppose we could catch a disease with all these bugs do you? :)

However, credit spreads on the SPX is my primary focus for now.

-Cash

Quote from DonnaV:

I don't mind :) although an occasional "hunk" pic would be appreciated by ME...but I think we need to take a poll to have you start a NEW thread on B-FLY's....how abt it guys and gals?
 
Well the SPX FLYs could be an additional way for me to trade the SPX while watching the paint dry (theta). I was able to put on both FLYs for just over $1,000 and can possibly mine the cost back from them selling the BABIES as the SPX moves around. I have been studying it a bit after reading Cottle and taking an example he had to another level. It should be quite interesting to follow along. Bottom line I can make some money off the bouncing around and add to my credit spread income.

If it proves interesting I may start another thread for INDEX FLYs :) My other Combo to Fly trades are on riskarb's thread so I will just continue to post along there.
 
Quote from optioncoach:

Well the SPX FLYs could be an additional way for me to trade the SPX while watching the paint dry (theta). I was able to put on both FLYs for just over $1,000 and can possibly mine the cost back from them selling the BABIES as the SPX moves around. I have been studying it a bit after reading Cottle and taking an example he had to another level. It should be quite interesting to follow along. Bottom line I can make some money off the bouncing around and add to my credit spread income.

If it proves interesting I may start another thread for INDEX FLYs :) My other Combo to Fly trades are on riskarb's thread so I will just continue to post along there.

ok I'll go back to watching skating...and skiing
 
I decided to play along on the Fly trade... never done one before so this is dumb money looking for an education.

Bought the March 1225/1250/1275 for $3.50 -- felt like I overpaid at the time but what else is new. The fill was interesting as I got a "discount" on the 1225 -- the one least likely to be ITM -- and paid up for the rest.

Prices -- excluding commissions -- were:

1225: $2.60
1250: $6.10
1275: $13.10

If my math is correct, it looks like the max reward is:
1275: $11.90
1250: $12.20
1225: -$2.60

Total: $21.50 or a r/r of 6.1 before commissions.

Of course, with everyone breathing hard over the Fed testimony, this stands an excellent chance of blowing chunks but we'll see.
 
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