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To defend my ignorant comment a while back "where are the 800 or so liquid spreads",
I know of and can follow the hundreds of spreads in just the ED complex (and for your info there is NO volatility in single contract ED flies...think about it! )
What i meant was that i would want a source for EOD data, a charting package with technical studies and signals for the hundreds or thousands of liquid spreads that Bone has researched over the years.
This would be extremely valuable along with training.
Only an idiot would expect profitability guarantees.

I agree that only an idiot would expect a guarantee of profitability. But it seems like a lot of posters here think that only an idiot would expect a vendor to be completely forthright about the effectiveness of his products. Caveat emptor I guess.
 
Fraud is a strong word. Misrepresentation and hype are more accurate. Again, the old website and new website are totally different in tone and character. Gone is all the exaggerated "fade one sigma" and "slow moving spread" language. Several posters have pointed out gross inaccuracies in his comments about "OTC PJM vs screen" arbitrage. That language is now gone. This all for the good.

I think here is where we diverge a bit. You see his edits as nefarious when I see them as responding to the demands of the marketplace. He has shown that he is capable of listening to his customers and being objective.

The language may be hype, but, again, I can personally attest to fading large moves in flies and condors (on tightly coupled curves) in addition to watching low-volatility, slow-moving spreads. I am unfamiliar with the PJM post (link?), but having traded OTC PJM and Ercot, I can also attest to arbitrage possibilities between the OTC markets and the ICE screen.

It is a poor standard of ethics to think that the only way a vendor can do any wrong is outright fraud. We have differing opinions on vendor ethics and that is fine.

By definition, misrepresentation is fraud. I have seen no evidence that bone wittingly or otherwise misrepresented his teachings or methods. You can have the volatility of VIX calendar spreads or you can stick to the low vol environment of long-dated WTI flies and condors - it's up to the trader and their risk tolerance. Both of which, bone has described.

But it seems like a lot of posters here think that only an idiot would expect a vendor to be completely forthright about the effectiveness of his products.

The nature of spreads is such that bone was accurate in his descriptions in terms of the scope available for product volatility, risk, and potential return.
 
Not to my knowledge. PJM trades OTC via ICE and CME Clearport or electronically on ICE's trading screen.

You can trade the ICE OTC financially cleared US power products using TT. Been that way for quite a while now with TT and financial power, but you have to be specially configured for the ICE gateway and it takes some serious margin allowance (capital) for the ICE exchange and your clearing firm to permit it.

https://www.tradingtechnologies.com/support/advisories/2011/12/epn068-11/

https://www.tradingtechnologies.com/support/advisories/2014/09/ca049-14/

TT also provides some guidance for setting up the AutoSpreader or SpreadMatrix for the Heat Rate Spread:

https://www.tradingtechnologies.com/help/ice-gateway/trading-ice-heat-rate-spreads/
 
You can trade the ICE OTC financially cleared US power products using TT. Been that way for quite a while now with TT and financial power, but you have to be specially configured for the ICE gateway and it takes some serious margin allowance (capital) for the ICE exchange and your clearing firm to permit it.

https://www.tradingtechnologies.com/support/advisories/2011/12/epn068-11/

https://www.tradingtechnologies.com/support/advisories/2014/09/ca049-14/

TT also provides some guidance for setting up the AutoSpreader or SpreadMatrix for the Heat Rate Spread:

https://www.tradingtechnologies.com/help/ice-gateway/trading-ice-heat-rate-spreads/


Many thanks for the links bone, very kind!

I noticed that you didn't answer all of my last question. As a prospective client, I'm trying to get my head around a few issues.

Did you ever manage to verify the accounting irregularities with regard to the trading statement that is on your client website? Why were these removed from an earlier ET thread?

Thanks in advanced.

FMS
 
Many thanks for the links bone, very kind!

I noticed that you didn't answer all of my last question. As a prospective client, I'm trying to get my head around a few issues.

Did you ever manage to verify the accounting irregularities with regard to the trading statement that is on your client website? Why were these removed from an earlier ET thread?

Thanks in advanced.

FMS

There are no accounting irregularities, and the detractors could not and did not reply to Baron's simple request to make arrangements to have a third party knowledgeable about US registered US futures prop firm FCM statements offer to Baron an opinion otherwise. And that has not happened. Please direct your questions about thread material to Baron, as he is the only person who has the ability to delete material from threads. Feel free to ask him to post publicly if you'd like.
 
7500 for an agreed upon fixed term, and you can get the guy one on one whenever you want to work on something with him really doesn't seem like a terrible deal. He is selling education, not monthly chatroom subscriptions and "proprietary indicator" settings.
 
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