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I wonder how many of you actually know WTF you are talking about and have ever experienced any of the crap you rant and rave on.
For the intelligent, experience is not a requisite of comprehension.
As for the middle class getting squeezed, they have no one to blame but themselves for their spending habits.
You are right, bad spending habits all around have had adverse affects and no doubt the middle class is no exception. However the excesses of the middle class. e.g buying a bigger house or spending more money on shoes at the mall are NOTHING compared to the over leveraged financial companies who facilitated the who housing crisis in the first place.
As for the middle class not being the recipients of social programs, bullshit.
As for the top quintile getting more benefit from social programs than the middle class, TOTAL BULLSHIT.
Ummm no. I could explain to you why it actually makes sense, but I really don't feel like it, after all you can check for yourself. www.taxfoundation.org. The top quintile get more in federal spending per household than every other quintile except for the bottom, which is very close. Sometimes you have to think critically...
As for the poor being poor, unless you have had a catastrophic financial event in your life, it is lifestyle choice to be poor.
There is such a thing as a poverty mentality. It's very difficult for kids who are brought up with that mentality to break it. And catastrophic events happen all the time, we are at war your know.
Speaking from personal experience from living in the bottom quintile, the middle 60%, and the top 20% over the past 7-years I have seen more shit than any of you posers probably have thought about.
What do you want a pin to wear on your shirt? I have as well. What exactly does this prove?
In the bottom quintile, you pay no taxes, get all sorts of government handouts, and get free healthcare. A LARGE majority of the folks in this quintile stay there by their own life choices. They don't value education and hard work, they are perfectly happy for the government to take care of them, and they constantly bitch and moan about the evil rich folks who don't give them more.
True, there are people like this. We know that. There are also good people whom bad things have happened to.
and use credit very sparingly.
lol WHAT? I wonder what would happen if we took a poll of all people who made $1 million or more in the past 3 years. I guarantee to that for a large percentage of them financing and leverage (in some cases as much as possible) we crucial to there success. The reason leverage is such a disease in this country is because so many people got rich using it.
I started right out of college with a wife and two kids at the bottom rung. 7.5 years latter we are in the top 15% with having only one income throughout the whole time. I did that by not bitching and working my ass off at my job, earning a Masters degree at the same time, and by working my ass off at my job. Meanwhile the lazy fucks that bitch the most about how unfair life is and how the rich folks should pay more taxes to support them did not do squat except bitch and moan and rack up mounds of debt on useless shit.
Big deal. We all have our own stories. Congrats on your success. But for you to assume that the only reason some people are struggling is because they did not work hard, or are lazy...is just dumb.
Yes, me and my family received government sponsored social services such as CHIP. I look at my tax bill and I have more than paid for what I received.
There you go, socialism in action. I'm glad you benefited from socialism.
Now why should I, after me and my family had to sacrifice (and we did) so we can achieve, have to spread the wealth. I have no problem providing temporary social services to those facing hard times. What I absolutely abhor is the POS liberal fucks who feel that some lazy schmuck is entitled to a certain standard of living and feels no moral remorse about providing that standard based on the hard work and sacrifice of me and my family.
Oh really? Who is going to weed out the good people who are falling on rough times versus the lazy fucks? You? The system isn't perfect.
You make some good points, but you should realize the issues are issues or a reason.
Spread The Wealth For Idiots - Defined
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Hey T, how come they don't get on your case when you post interesting stuff?
Btw, if I remember it right, Dennis Miller made a smart comment last night at the Factor, when he said something to the effect that "Obama went unscripted in talking about the middle class with Joe the Plumber and had a "let them eat urine cake" moment... "
Here's another good one: http://it.youtube.com/watch?v=6ARQi59v51c
"ACTS 2:44-45" "All the believers were gathered together and had everything in common.
Selling their possessions and goods, They gave to anyone as he had need."
read your bible.
Selling their possessions and goods, They gave to anyone as he had need."
read your bible.
I cannot in good conscience support a tax cut in which so many of the benefits go to the most fortunate among us, at the expense of the middle-class Americans who most need tax relief." - John McCain, 5/26/01, arguing against Bush tax cuts
"I voted against the (Bush) tax cuts because of the disproportional amount that went to the wealthiest Americans." - John McCain, 4/11/04
Fucking HYPOCRITE piece of Karl Rove puppet vomit! Making the rollback of bush's tax cuts of a few percent for a small percentage of taxpayers an issue after what he said above !
IF this hypocrite piece of crap McCain who sold his soul wins next week due to the immoral, slimeball criminal cocksucker karl rove's help (the scumbag who gave us george moron bush fror 8 years) I pray he gets sick in the first year!
That would be karma for using karl rove after he stuck McCain's face in the mud when he ran against georgy bush!
"I voted against the (Bush) tax cuts because of the disproportional amount that went to the wealthiest Americans." - John McCain, 4/11/04
Fucking HYPOCRITE piece of Karl Rove puppet vomit! Making the rollback of bush's tax cuts of a few percent for a small percentage of taxpayers an issue after what he said above !
IF this hypocrite piece of crap McCain who sold his soul wins next week due to the immoral, slimeball criminal cocksucker karl rove's help (the scumbag who gave us george moron bush fror 8 years) I pray he gets sick in the first year!
That would be karma for using karl rove after he stuck McCain's face in the mud when he ran against georgy bush!
If McCain loses I hope he bitch-slaps karl rove and tosses him in the gutter where scum like him originate.
If we voted for ONE poster child for the immoral, slimy greed-infested, win-at-all-cost-even-if-that-means-selling-your-mother and-your-soul-society that we have developed into it is beyond a shadow of a doubt: karl rove.
Luckily I know, as do many others who are objective and see him as a cancer on poltiics and elections, that he will be walking the streets of hell for a long time after he finally does us all a favor and drops dead! Sad how Jennifer Hudson's 7 year old nephew gets dead but this slimeball criminal karl rove goes on breathing!
If we voted for ONE poster child for the immoral, slimy greed-infested, win-at-all-cost-even-if-that-means-selling-your-mother and-your-soul-society that we have developed into it is beyond a shadow of a doubt: karl rove.
Luckily I know, as do many others who are objective and see him as a cancer on poltiics and elections, that he will be walking the streets of hell for a long time after he finally does us all a favor and drops dead! Sad how Jennifer Hudson's 7 year old nephew gets dead but this slimeball criminal karl rove goes on breathing!
HOPE FOR MCCAIN: POLLS SAY HE'S CLOSING THE GAP
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
"Iraq isn't the only place where the surge seems to be working. John McCain's gains over the last five days are remaking the political landscape as Election Day approaches.
The double-digit leads Barack Obama held last week have evaporated, as all three of the top tracking polls (the most current and reliable measurements out there) show McCain hot on Obama's heels.
Zogby had Obama ahead by 12 points last week - now it's down to four. His margin in the Rasmussen poll has dropped from eight points to three in the last few days. Gallup shows only a two-point difference.
In each news cycle, Obama is on the defensive - staving off accusations of closet socialism and trying to wriggle out of his once overt advocacy of income redistribution. "Spreading the wealth around" has become the anti-Obama slogan - and might become the epitaph for his candidacy, just as "brainwashed" was for George Romney and "Where's the beef?" was for Gary Hart.
And, as we head to Halloween, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's image is returning to haunt Obama. Yes, McCain refused to use the issue in his own campaign - but independent groups like goptrust.com are using funds from tens of thousands of individual donors to run ads featuring Wright and his relationship with Obama. Just yesterday, a tape surfaced in which Obama described Rev. Wright as "the best the black church has to offer."
The double dose of Obama's support for spreading the wealth around and his affiliation with the toxic Rev. Wright are eroding his once-formidable lead.
If the stock market doesn't send us all into shock again, the election could be very close - with the undecided vote looming large. The key question is: About whom are they undecided?
At the height of the financial crisis, voters couldn't decide if McCain was really a maverick or just a Bush clone. But the spotlight has shifted: It's no longer McCain who is caught in its glare, but Obama.
As the Democrat moved convincingly ahead last week, voters began to seriously consider what kind of president he'd be. Bush and McCain seemed increasingly irrelevant as people pondered whether they really want to trust Obama with this kind of power.
By this point, the nature of the undecided vote has likely shifted from people who are torn between wanting change and worrying about Obama to people who have basically decided not to back Barack but haven't sufficiently collected their thoughts to come out for McCain.
Then there's the so-called Bradley effect - where white voters lie to pollsters and say they are backing the black candidate when they're not.
To date, it's been a myth: As The Wall Street Journal reported, Tom Bradly had lost his lead in the polls by the time California voted on his bid to become governor. But it may be real this year.
Undecided voters may be reluctant to say they're not voting for Obama. They may be concealing their real intentions by saying they're undecided. (They might even not have come to grips with their intentions themselves.)
High turnout may also be a wild card. On the surface, it seems sure to bolster Obama's chances as large numbers of poorer, less educated, younger and minority voters turn out to vote for the first time.
But the swelling turnout may have gone beyond this social outreach. And, as it does, it can help McCain. After all, white voters back McCain by double digits. If the contest inspires them all to vote, Obama will lose.
So we approach Election Day with the possibility of a rerun of 2000 plainly before us. McCain has closed to a point where the race will likely be very, very close - and we'll have to stay up very, very late on Election Night."
By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
"Iraq isn't the only place where the surge seems to be working. John McCain's gains over the last five days are remaking the political landscape as Election Day approaches.
The double-digit leads Barack Obama held last week have evaporated, as all three of the top tracking polls (the most current and reliable measurements out there) show McCain hot on Obama's heels.
Zogby had Obama ahead by 12 points last week - now it's down to four. His margin in the Rasmussen poll has dropped from eight points to three in the last few days. Gallup shows only a two-point difference.
In each news cycle, Obama is on the defensive - staving off accusations of closet socialism and trying to wriggle out of his once overt advocacy of income redistribution. "Spreading the wealth around" has become the anti-Obama slogan - and might become the epitaph for his candidacy, just as "brainwashed" was for George Romney and "Where's the beef?" was for Gary Hart.
And, as we head to Halloween, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's image is returning to haunt Obama. Yes, McCain refused to use the issue in his own campaign - but independent groups like goptrust.com are using funds from tens of thousands of individual donors to run ads featuring Wright and his relationship with Obama. Just yesterday, a tape surfaced in which Obama described Rev. Wright as "the best the black church has to offer."
The double dose of Obama's support for spreading the wealth around and his affiliation with the toxic Rev. Wright are eroding his once-formidable lead.
If the stock market doesn't send us all into shock again, the election could be very close - with the undecided vote looming large. The key question is: About whom are they undecided?
At the height of the financial crisis, voters couldn't decide if McCain was really a maverick or just a Bush clone. But the spotlight has shifted: It's no longer McCain who is caught in its glare, but Obama.
As the Democrat moved convincingly ahead last week, voters began to seriously consider what kind of president he'd be. Bush and McCain seemed increasingly irrelevant as people pondered whether they really want to trust Obama with this kind of power.
By this point, the nature of the undecided vote has likely shifted from people who are torn between wanting change and worrying about Obama to people who have basically decided not to back Barack but haven't sufficiently collected their thoughts to come out for McCain.
Then there's the so-called Bradley effect - where white voters lie to pollsters and say they are backing the black candidate when they're not.
To date, it's been a myth: As The Wall Street Journal reported, Tom Bradly had lost his lead in the polls by the time California voted on his bid to become governor. But it may be real this year.
Undecided voters may be reluctant to say they're not voting for Obama. They may be concealing their real intentions by saying they're undecided. (They might even not have come to grips with their intentions themselves.)
High turnout may also be a wild card. On the surface, it seems sure to bolster Obama's chances as large numbers of poorer, less educated, younger and minority voters turn out to vote for the first time.
But the swelling turnout may have gone beyond this social outreach. And, as it does, it can help McCain. After all, white voters back McCain by double digits. If the contest inspires them all to vote, Obama will lose.
So we approach Election Day with the possibility of a rerun of 2000 plainly before us. McCain has closed to a point where the race will likely be very, very close - and we'll have to stay up very, very late on Election Night."
