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KymarFye · May 11, 2003

Quote from OPTIONAL777:

Nah, the refs aren't biased at all.

In today's farce, we have the following statistics:

Spurs:

Personal Fouls: 31 Made Free Throws/Attempts: 20-26
Shooting % 33-74 .446
Assists: 18
Turnovers: 14
Rebounds: 41

Lakers:

Personal Fouls: 26 Made Free Throws/Attemps: 35-45
Shooting % 28-71 .394
Assists: 14
Turnovers: 13
Rebounds: 42

Quite seriously, I am tiring of watching the poor and clearly biased refs from either side, whether it favors the Lakers, Kings, Mavs, or Spurs.

No consistency at all.

I never remember the refs being an issue in the Showtime days, and I think the players subconsciously feel they can't win on the Lakers home floor because they know the Lakers will get the calls.

It is ruining the game.

I am finding it boring. In a close game, it is the refs who are determing the outcome.....feels just like WWF to me.

Yeah, I was watching, too, when the one ref couldn't get the ball in and instead threw it into the other ref's hands. I also loved the way that the refs hit the ground to grab loose balls.

The Showtime Lakers used to get a lot more throws than the opposition, too, in critical games - usually against teams that didn't have their inside game, or that tried to stay in contention by playing brutal vs. the Lakers, who at that time had a deserved reputation as a (mostly) finesse team.

I think what you found boring is that the Lakers won. I suspect it must also have been very painful for you to see the Spurs reduced to fouling Kobe and Shaq over and over rather than letting them have concession baskets.

How many more times did Kobe or Shaq take it to the rim than anyone on the Spurs? I can hardly remember more than a handful of attempts by the Spurs to drive the lane. From the 2nd Quarter on, the Spurs were playing passively, and the Lakers were playing aggressively: The Spurs didn't get into a position to get any calls, and, when they were in a position to get calls, the presumption was against them.

Never underestimate the stent of a champion.

TKOtrader · May 11, 2003

Quote from KymarFye:

Never underestimate the stent of a champion.

true dat

OPTIONAL777 · May 11, 2003

Quote from KymarFye:

Yeah, I was watching, too, when the one ref couldn't get the ball in and instead threw it into the other ref's hands. I also loved the way that the refs hit the ground to grab loose balls.

The Showtime Lakers used to get a lot more throws than the opposition, too, in critical games - usually against teams that didn't have their inside game, or that tried to stay in contention by playing brutal vs. the Lakers, who at that time had a deserved reputation as a (mostly) finesse team.

I think what you found boring is that the Lakers won. I suspect it must also have been very painful for you to see the Spurs reduced to fouling Kobe and Shaq over and over rather than letting them have concession baskets.

How many more times did Kobe or Shaq take it to the rim than anyone on the Spurs? I can hardly remember more than a handful of attempts by the Spurs to drive the lane. From the 2nd Quarter on, the Spurs were playing passively, and the Lakers were playing aggressively: The Spurs didn't get into a position to get any calls, and, when they were in a position to get calls, the presumption was against them.

Never underestimate the stent of a champion.

Wrong again.

I didn't enjoy San Antonio's victory, found it boring because of the bias.

Here is what you don't understand, or perhaps you do understand it but you won't admit it.

When a team knows, or believes based on the past performances, that either they or their competitors will receive favorable calls...it has an impact. You begin to feel like you can't win if you consistently don't get the calls, and you feel like you can't lose when you do get the calls becase of bias.

This confidence, or lack of it, is the basis of champions these days in the NBA.

Maybe the way Jordan was treated was the reason, I don't know. David Stern is a putz, anyone can see that, and he is behind the show.

The game is all about show, not about consistency of play.

The game is fixed, pure and simple. How many times today did you see a San Antonia player just stand with their arms straight up, have Shaq back into them, and Shaq was not called for charging or they were called for a foul today?

Go back an look at the Boston/Lakers rivalry in the 80's. The officiating was never like this, never.

OPTIONAL777 · May 12, 2003

What a shock, Kings win, bringing series to a 2-2 tie...just like the Lakers/SA 2-2 series.

Does the network want 7 games in each series?

What do you think the ratings are on the Detroit/Philly series or Boston/NJ compared to the marquee series in the west.

TM_Direct · May 12, 2003

Quote from hapaboy:

Debatable. Especially against the porous Mavericks. Keon Clark is not a huge drop in talent by any means.

Are you sniffing glue again????? Keon Clark has :1) never been to an all star game 2) never avg 20+ points or 10+ rebounds and more importantly.....3) NO coach in the History of the NBA has ever drawn up a
special plan" or defense to counter the incredible talents of Keon Clark"

Optional is right...Sac is DONE!!!...w/out Webb, Vlade becomes an aging wanna be center who shoots from the outside.....without webb down low you can go and take away his outside shot because he has no one to throw it into the post to.

hapaboy · May 12, 2003

Quote from TM_Direct:

[BAre you sniffing glue again????? Keon Clark has :1) never been to an all star game 2) never avg 20+ points or 10+ rebounds and more importantly.....3) NO coach in the History of the NBA has ever drawn up a special plan" or defense to counter the incredible talents of Keon Clark"

Optional is right...Sac is DONE!!!...w/out Webb, Vlade becomes an aging wanna be center who shoots from the outside.....without webb down low you can go and take away his outside shot because he has no one to throw it into the post to. [/B]

Take a chill pill. You forget that Keon Clark averages 16 minutes per game in the postseason! He is a role player who does his job extremely well. I never said he was the Second Coming of Larry Bird, for chrissake, only that he isn't a huge drop in talent.

In the meantime Sac has evened the series. Again, if the Spurs can eliminate LA, I think that Sacramento has as good a chance as any of the teams to win it all.

TM_Direct · May 12, 2003

Quote from hapaboy:

Take a chill pill. You forget that Keon Clark averages 16 minutes per game in the postseason! He is a role player who does his job extremely well. I never said he was the Second Coming of Larry Bird, for chrissake, only that he isn't a huge drop in talent.

In the meantime Sac has evened the series. Again, if the Spurs can eliminate LA, I think that Sacramento has as good a chance as any of the teams to win it all.

NO way man....Im not letting you off this easy!!!

c'mon...admit it...you got a little carried away there....aside form being a decent shot blocker, he's never been a scorer or a rebounder.......Retract this statement or your sports input will have to have an asterisk next to it every time you post for possible drug interaction

KymarFye · May 12, 2003

Optional won't like this section of Charley Rosen's latest ESPN column, though he probably will like the earlier part in which Rosen re-tests his anti-Kobe stuff.

"Why were there so many offensive fouls called on Shaq down in San Antonio?" the coach asks. "Because the NBA is not going to let Shaq kick Tim Duncan's butt. No sir, the NBA absolutely has a stake in their double-MVP outplaying Shaq. If Shaq destroys Duncan, then the MVP award doesn't count for diddly."

Conventional wisdom says the NBA needs the Lakers in the finals to maximize its TV ratings, especially if the alternative from the West is small-market San Antonio or Sacramento. But the league is sensitive to an undercurrent of resentment toward L.A. and its recent dominance.

Besides Duncan being protected, what else is going on? "David Robinson is playing scared," the coach says. "He wants to retire with his teeth and his face intact. Malik Rose is a true warrior, though. But it's not Shaq's fault that Rose is only 6-foot-7, and that his elbow is at the level of Rose's face. And, hey, when a big guy and a smaller guy collide, the big guy is the one who's going to be left standing. Is it fair to tag the big guy with a foul because he's bigger and stronger? Using the same logic, every time a small guy jets past a big guy, the refs should call the small guy for traveling."

According to the same coach, the several calls against Shaq also have a political basis: "The NBA wants total control of its product. They want to control the media, the coaches and the players. But Shaq won't kow-tow to the league. He says whatever he wants to say, whenever and wherever he wants to say it. That's why the NBA, and the referees -- who, after all, work for the NBA and are its agents -- don't give Shaq the respect he deserves."

That's why Jackson is so intent on criticizing the way the games have been officiated. "And you know what?" the coach says. "Taking the refs to task in the media absolutely, positively gets results."

full text at: http://espn.go.com/page2/s/rosen/030512.html

hapaboy · May 13, 2003

Quote from TM_Direct:

NO way man....Im not letting you off this easy!!!

c'mon...admit it...you got a little carried away there....aside form being a decent shot blocker, he's never been a scorer or a rebounder.......Retract this statement or your sports input will have to have an asterisk next to it every time you post for possible drug interaction

Heh-heh! Hey TM, I never said Clark is in Webber's league. All I said was he isn't a huge drop in talent. There is no doubt that he is a drop, but hey, he's not Jamie Feick for cryin' out loud.

TM_Direct · May 13, 2003

Quote from hapaboy:

Heh-heh! Hey TM, I never said Clark is in Webber's league. All I said was he isn't a huge drop in talent. There is no doubt that he is a drop, but hey, he's not Jamie Feick for cryin' out loud.

Dallas is pathetic...they should be cramming it down the kings throat....I give the queens credit though