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Quote from Jahajee:

Even more interesting:

2m ES data for ESZ8 for September and October with

COMPOSITE entry logic:
buy/sell entries when MACD crosses MACF avd, above and below zero.
AND also buy if both MACD and MACD average crosses above zero;
Sell when both MACD and MACD average crosses below zero.
217 trades
$15,192 profit or 151% return
1-lot ES contract
Commission & slippage of $35 per trade - open and close trade
( $10 commission and $25 slippage)
$10000 initial capital
Stop Loss $200 to $250, Profit target - allowed to run up to $1500; with discretionary exit, profit will be higher

See attached

These systems can be traded profitably. Returns will be lower when markets return to normal, that is SPX 15 to 20 ATR rather than 40 to 60 as we experience now.
A good exit - LONG position: close when MACD crosses under MACD avg; SHORT when MACD crosses above MACD avg
Keep it simple.
I will use momentum to fine tune entry and exit but that is my preference because I have been using it for all my trading and am comfortable with it.
Another exit to consider is the 5/34 oscillator, called Awesome Chaos in Multicharts. It is basically a 5/34 MA, difference plotted as histogram. You can exit long MACD position when 5 MA crosses 34MA down, and opposite for short.

In these trades with MACD, don't dither around - take your profits and look for re-entry, if possible. Or, start with 2-lot position size, take profits on half, and set breakeven on the other half.... and you got to have a fairly wide stop - at least 4 to 5 points. This is useful when the markets pull back from dominant trend and MACD "kisses" or "back kisses" the MACD avg BUT does not cross. You don't want to be shaken out of your position in such a case.

Duplicating this one as I did in my other posts I get the following results:

Trades: 216
Profit: +$11,345

Looks good... Now however I test from 2003 till now and I get the following results:

Trades: 6590
Profit: -$42,896

So granted in the past 2 months this strategy is great with the extreme volatility... However, long term this strategy as outlined above is a net loser.

However, the fact that its able to make up a LOT of the transaction costs over 6 thousand + trades means the strategy as outlined above does in fact have a crude edge. Just not enough to overcome transaction costs completely
 
Quote from frostengine:

I am trying to somewhat duplicate the other back-testing results.. so here is my attempt:

Long entry:
MACD and MACD.Avg > 0, MACD crosses above MACD.Avg

Short entry:
Macd and macd.avg < 0 and MACD crosses below Macd.avg

Stop Loss: $300
Profit target: $1500

Tested for the sept-oct as he did. Actually did sept 1 through Oct-20 trading is from 8:30 till 3:05 Central time, exit at end of day.

Used $5 round trip commission, and .25 slippage per trade, which + commision equals $30 per round trip expenses.

Total trades: 108
Profit: $3863

So this is "similiar" to the results he had, but not as great. Still good results.. So now i perform this same test from 2003 till now

Results:
Trades: 2650
Profit: -$13,656

Not so great... So I hope no one was getting too excited with these results..

Granted, the strategy would be positive without transaction costs.. so it does have an edge.

Next I will duplicate the other tests and see how those fared


With historical data we should optimize stop & profit target. I have ES data somewhere around here, will test during weekend.

More importantly, we need to test a few exit ideas; I don't go for these hard $ stops because they aren' really related to the logic of the entry or current market environments. Might try ATR, or
close above x-bar high or below x-bar low, or something related to MACD, e.g. MACD crossing above or below zero etc

But, as I look at the trades it would seem to me that one has to be there looking at the screens and deciding when to exit... at least until we can backtest a proftitable exit.
 
Godzilla,

No doubt there probably are some discretionary tidbits here and there that an experienced trader can do that will make this strategy a profitable one over the long haul...

Back-testing can't account for those details. The back-testing does show without transaction costs it does have an edge. So its a good starting point..

Just wanted to show a longer time frame so everyone didn't get TOO excited over the other posted back-tests and think this is the holy grail or something
 
Yes, real traders know this.


What the less experienced traders don't understand, but you, I and Jahajee know is that we're factoring in our trading experience and knowledge into the equation.
 
Quote from frostengine:

... Now however I test from 2003 till now and I get the following results:

Trades: 6590
Profit: -$42,896


So, this would be the SLM...Simplistic Loser Method?

Very funny that anyone basing their trading on a kindergarten MA crossover would spend all their time chasing after an old man on the internet haha.

Even more hilarious is that as soon as the backtest revealing Trader28's equity curve is posted he reverts to the flaming (probably already deleted by the time I get this posted) in the hopes of getting the thread deleted.
 
Quote from Godzilla:

Enjoy all the backtesting you want fellas.. you've all seen it in realtime with your own eyes this week..

Yes, and the backtest curve clearly shows the results of the last couple of weeks as the only upward movement for the system in the LAST FIVE YEARS.

LOL
 
Quote from Godzilla:

I just love making you work every day Tums.. now clean this shit up bitch.. you work for me!

Why do you enjoy giving Tums such a hard time? I think he's doing very well keeping up with the threads. I've previously tried to moderate a JH thread and had to give up.

We all have our opinions on JH and SPM, but Tums is imo staying neutral. I suggest supporting and encouraging him.

Great thread, btw. We just need to keep the noise down.
 
Quote from frostengine:

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Results:
Trades: 2650
Profit: -$13,656

Not so great... So I hope no one was getting too excited with these results..

Granted, the strategy would be positive without transaction costs.. so it does have an edge.

Next I will duplicate the other tests and see how those fared
without writing a single line to test this common indicator, you should know it will fail. Why? If it is of any good don't you think Steve Cohen will be all over it already?
 
Quote from Godzilla:

It's ok Tums.. I understand you've never seen winners before :p :D :cool:

According to this I do not think you understand the definition of winner...maybe that is why you are so bitter.

Also, I am not Tums. I am more of a Rolaids person ;)


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