Spiritual Aspects of Trading

Surprisingly interesting thread...

Many of the posters have used the terms "religion" and "spirituality" interchangeably and this is a huge mistake.

Religion = an organized body of individuals set up with an agenda that may or may not have a spiritual aspect to it and is usually dogmatic, with man-made rules and dictates that suit the people who are at the top of the "food chain" in that particular religious body - most also own assets such as church real estate and/or related business (televangelism, etc.)

Spirituality = an individual person attempting to live their life by practicing (imperfectly, of course) spiritual principles in their daily affairs such as:

Honesty, Hope, Faith, Courage, Integrity, Willingness, Humility, Love, Discipline, perseverance, Awareness, Responsibility, etc. etc.

People who attempt to live a spiritual way of life may or may not have a belief in a God or Higher Power - and most find that living by these principles is essential for having some peace and serenity.

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Historical fact is that most atrocities, mass murders, genocide, etc. committed against other human beings have been done in the name of religious belief.

So let's not confuse religion with practicing spiritual principles. These 2 things are often polar opposites.

There are plenty of religious people who also have a fit spiritual condition but that is not a requirement to join a religious group.

There are many horribly sick and twisted people hiding their angst and pain underneath the mantle of being "believers".
 
i asked my guru, an indian monk, once if it is alright that i have a
computer program that makes all the money and i do nothing but
watch it. and that it would make most of its money in crisis, buying
grains when prices go up and things of that kind. he was like: "keep
it going, perfect thing."

i must add, he is a very caring hard working person.
 
Quote from callmeput:

Is there anything but spiritual? Some say it´s mostly Maya "out there" :)

We don't need somebody else to tell us... Just look out there... It's your mind. :)

Now do you want the blue pill or the red pill?
 
Quote from foible:

Typical Christian arrogance.

The pursuit of riches through trading is vehemently anti-Christian. When did Jesus get really angry and get out a whip and start beating people? It wasn't when he met thieves or murderers, it was to beat the money changers. Learn about your own superstitions before spouting.


And the whole idea that Christianity has a monopoly on morality is plain stupid.

Jesus whipped the moneychangers out of the temple because they were defiling God's house by making it a house of mechandise; not because moneychanging itself was anti-Christian.

If you read the parable of the talents in Matthew 25: 14-31 you will also note that Jesus praised the man who employed his talent ( 3000 shekels of silver) and doubled it by TRADING in the marketplace. He said "well done thou good and faithful servant." I don't believe Jesus would have cited a parable that illustrated the rewards and praise for increasing one's wealth if it had been contrary to his doctrine.

Making money can be righteous or unrighteous depending on the motives behind it. If the money is made by legal tricks or by taking advantage of the poor it is evil. If it accrues from some service to mankind it is not. From a trading perspective, one's profits can bless mankind directly or indirectly or it can be used for selfish glofification of one's person. Money can be good or evil depending on the motive for attaining it or using it.
 
If it turns out that there is a God, I don't think that he's evil. But the worst that you can say about him is that basically he's an underachiever .
 
Trading is definitely spiritual. Trading the markets will give you a snapshot of what kind of person you are. Trading will let you identify those things and offers a chance to improve yourself as a person, and hopefully trading.

Quote from algorythm:

As a long-time student of world religions, I wondered if there was any interest in opening up a discussion of religious/spiritual aspects of trading.

Most people have a belief system of one kind or another that they buy into and practice.

On the surface, trading is a purely material activity, but as Mark Twain wrote "any so-called material thing that you want is merely a symbol: you want it not for itself, but because it will content your spirit for the moment."

So what, as traders, is it that we're really looking for? Is it a test of ourselves against others? Only a game that we play to while away the hours? Is there any way to structure trading or an approach to trading that is more in line with your belief structures? How have traders in the community done this?

In the hedge fund industry, I ran into a lot of Ann Rynd'ers who were essentially objectivists who bought wholeheartedly into the philosophy that -- "individuals rationally and circumspectly seeking their own long-term happiness hold the world on their shoulders." Greed is good and so on. How many of you are on that particular bus? How does that feel?

I open up the question because it seems to me it might be useful to get an overview of not only how everyone trades and what they are trading, but how they feel about the trading they are doing, and what the philosophies are that drive that.

I personally am a Buddhist and I've found that texts from the Buddhist tradition and Taoist tradition are useful in helping me to see beyond what it is I'm doing on a day to day basis to something that is more of a "path of life," as opposed to a daily grind with only short term goals.

Many go fishing all their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after -- so what is it we're all here fishing for?

Thanks for your input.
 
Jesus whipped the moneychangers out of the temple because they were defiling God's house by making it a house of mechandise; not because moneychanging itself was anti-Christian.
Jesus is more communist than the Communists. Check out Acts 4, everyone is selling everything they had and giving it to the apostles. Not that they had much choice. In Acts 5, when Ananias and his wife decide that they want to keep some money to themself, the Holy Ghost kills him and his wife! Socialism with God to kill the trouble makers.

It isn't that the moneychangers were doing business, but that they were doing the wrong business.
 
Quote from Johnnie T-Bond:

Jesus whipped the moneychangers out of the temple because they were defiling God's house by making it a house of mechandise; not because moneychanging itself was anti-Christian.


No I did not. That's a made-up story. Let's just say that there was 'artistic license' taken by the editors of my acts and messages.

No structure in this world can be considered "God's house". God is Spirit, and he is worshipped in Spirit and in truth.

Jesus
 
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