Spain lockdown

[Turveyd]

Sure, english widely spoken in Sweden although to settle there as a family with none of us speaking the local language should be a handicap. Still speak broken german, so eyeng Austria more kindly. No problem if youa re only travellingf there on holidays.
Passive investor here, not much affected by the lockdown financially, although I have assets spread over a few countries and those strict travel restrictions could become a serious issue.
Job prospects must be horrendous in Spain, and tax prospects are grim as well, with far left in high places of the government and getting more powerful running a country in deep economic crisis.

Cool, nice 2,600 mile Cruise via Amsterdam both ways ofcouse, RED

Lefties screw everything up, not based on reality at all, strange people.

 

[Turveyd]

Yeah, that sounds more like a joke but the journalist quoted the official as serious. Lots of coronasaga decisions sound like bitter jokes.
Hard to believe I left China recently largely sick with the system there, to fall within a few months in a country with even more restrictions.

In China aswell, think that was / is still worse but ??

They'll spin the, another mutation, police state to protect you from the nothing burger, I mean virus mk 2, lifes going to become very shit for most of the world.

Even got the USA to suspend most of there bill of rights and there fanatical about those, the power of fear!!

 

[roca]

99.95% survival rate and falling, never going to even get to 99.8% let alone 99.5%.

It's a media hyped backed by WHO / Bill Gates little virus with minimal effect, but using the FEAR factor to scare everyone into stupid decisions, screw up the entire world and then achieve Bill Gates actual goal of population reduction, not from the virus but from the aftermath of the lockdowns.

Nobody is thinking straight, it's SCAREY as hell for the Plebs that doesn't understand and only think about themselves, which are dictating the ridiculous policys.

Spain is fine, 1 month since peak, yes it'll keep going with less and less deaths for maybe 3months but hey people die, suck it up and get on with it, especially old people.

Compare NYC with NJ same area same lockdown, NYC coming down hit Herd already, NJ still climbing on the numbers daily, proves lockdowns at US level does not work, spain is harder mind. Proves Herd is valid and maybe 0.15% death rate hoping NYC bad area rest sub 0.1%.

So i've got ZERO chance of getting to Mega Muff ( Mayorca who ever it's spelt ) in August then

p.s. love Spain plan to retire there, end of this year, but all kinda going wrong and Brexit so likely boned

saying that Bill Gates is responsible for the virus is just outright stupid. Just because he warned people of a pandemic (which happened before) doesn't mean he is responsible for it.

Just because someone is rich, doesn't mean they evil

 

[luisHK]

In China aswell, think that was / is still worse but ??

They'll spin the, another mutation, police state to protect you from the nothing burger, I mean virus mk 2, lifes going to become very shit for most of the world.

Even got the USA to suspend most of there bill of rights and there fanatical about those, the power of fear!!

Many chinese appear to think the death count has been undercounted by 100x. I was living in Shenzhen, they had temperature checks outsdide nshops and probably residential buildings and probably created a lot of problems for people originally from Hubei but the city wasn't hit hard by the virus. Masks have been compulsory outside for a while but people in SZ, at least those who looked healthy, were never locked indoors afaik. Restaurants and some of the gyms, including the kick boxing school where Junior used to train, have reopened a while ago already, schools have just or are about to reopen as well. Not sure about the border with HK, but know several expats left the country during the epidemic and have come back in the meantime -rules to enter Shenzhen seem easier than to enter Shanghai or Beijing.
Here fighting sports gyms are not even included in the reopening calendar afaik.

 

[luisHK]

EReading the link below, if it is accurate it seems so far only land borders are closed from Spain.

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/w...sas/schengen/reintroduction-border-control_en

Nah, it seems the link is inaccurate and the restrictions have already been extended to airports, so one is to expect as few flights to and from Madrid for quite a few more months. Going through France might be the only way out for us this summer, if it's possible to travel further from France. Bummer.

Crazy to see the stock market is such a good shape with much of the world locked down. Not much else to rejoice about lately. To top it off, noticed that while most shops are allowed to reopen in Germany, brothels are not. Essential workers those girls are not apparently.


link in spanish regarding border restrictions at airports
https://elpais.com/espana/2020-03-2...e-amplia-tambien-a-puertos-y-aeropuertos.html

 

[hoffmanw]

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I posted over the last few weeks about Spain in various...

It is not over hype. I am living in NYC. Before lockdowns, it was very rare to heard an ambulance siren sound in my neighborhood. Maybe once in a month if I am luck.

Now it is averaging ten times in an hour, but a big improvement from a week ago. It is like a war zone. The hospitals here won't accept people with the virus unless they show signs of dying. Personally, I know couple people died from the virus.

 

[Turveyd]

saying that Bill Gates is responsible for the virus is just outright stupid. Just because he warned people of a pandemic (which happened before) doesn't mean he is responsible for it.

Just because someone is rich, doesn't mean they evil

WHAT ??

I never said responsible, his agenda is population reduction, it's merely over hyping a little flu x 2 via the media and WHO to create lockdowns and ruin the worlds economy, to create further issues and reduce the population, the nice lockdowns we are doing will do 100x's more damage than the virus itself, another thread recently slating him aswell, he's evil.

 

[luisHK]

It is not over hype. I am living in NYC. Before lockdowns, it was very rare to heard an ambulance siren sound in my neighborhood. Maybe once in a month if I am luck.

Now it is averaging ten times in an hour, but a big improvement from a week ago. It is like a war zone. The hospitals here won't accept people with the virus unless they show signs of dying. Personally, I know couple people died from the virus.

This will go down even more, Madrid was in a mess also, after a 3/4 weeks lockdown the emergency rooms had one third of the patients they saw before the coronasaga. It seems now people who had been afraid to go to hospital for non corona ailments during the peak of the epidemic are showing up,at least those who didn't die at home, and hospitals get busy again. Still I went to one of the few clinics working with my insurer which are still open today, and it was quiet in the outpatient and testing areas. Third clinic I visit since the beginning of this mess, always in the outpatient area, and all experiences were similar. Most cities in the world have coped just fine with the virus, sometimes without or with just a partial lockdown.
Not sure why NY, Madrid and several cities in northern Italy got hit so hard. I would have voted for no lockdown in Madrid anyway, now this mess looks like never ending. Whole populations wasting their life, harming their physical, economic and mental health to extend the lives of a few mostly older folks.

 

[Turveyd]

It is not over hype. I am living in NYC. Before lockdowns, it was very rare to heard an ambulance siren sound in my neighborhood. Maybe once in a month if I am luck.

Now it is averaging ten times in an hour, but a big improvement from a week ago. It is like a war zone. The hospitals here won't accept people with the virus unless they show signs of dying. Personally, I know couple people died from the virus.

Screwing up the worlds economy to save 0.2% of mainly old and dying people is massively over hyped, 75% of which wouldn't make it 12months anyway, the economic disaster is going to kill 10% of the worlds population.

People die, life should go on and not be ruined, but it isn't and it is being ruined.

Your just not seeing the bigger picture at play here, I wish I wasn't seeing it to

 

[Turveyd]

This will go down even more, Madrid was in a mess also, after a 3/4 weeks lockdown the emergency rooms had one third of the patients they saw before the coronasaga. It seems now people who had been afraid to go to hospital during the peak of the epidemic are showing up,at least those who didn't die at home, and hospitals get busy again. Most cities in the world have coped just fine with the virus, sometimes without or just a partial lockdown.
Not sure why NY, Madrid and several cities in northern Italy got hit so hard. I would have voted for no lockdown in Madrid anyway, now this mess looks like never ending. Whole populations wasting their life, physical, economic and mental health to extend the lives of a few mostly older folks.

Sadly snowflakes are always going to be, but someone died so lockdown with no evidence they even work and that's the end of the thought process, no consideration for the future and the damage being done, financially and mentally and also the huge loss of life the lockdowns are creating all over the world.

100 Ambulances sitting around with no work earlier on today in the UK unheard of, my mate is ambulance controller, normally she is fighting to get them back on the road and to the next shout, at the moment easy life.

2 hospitals have C19 patience the rest are all empty.

All we've done, is delay them getting it and then dying by a few days from the lockdowns, nothing more.

They could of self isolated well, when this all started, but they chose not to and 98% got on just fine with this plan so not mocking it I'd of done the same at that age, I'm 80, have a 15% shot at dying in 2020 what is an extra 2%.