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Quote from wilburbear:

And, ahem, do I detect the slightest note of fear in your post, and the previous post, about what the mega-companies may do to you?

wilbur, are you asking me if I fear that RCA or Sony will come knocking on my door and confiscate my hard drive in order to take me to court for downloading the Jeff Beck 'Blow by Blow' album?

I can assure you that that will never ever happen. I am in no danger of being sued for copyright infringement.

However, if I were running a website whose sole purpose was massive fraud, I would certainly be feeling a bit fearful.

Just look at the music tab sites. They were chugging right along, making available the tablature for every pop tune ever recorded. Mind you, these were not copies of the music, per se. They were transcriptions that kids were using to learn the songs. Not something I would object to if I had written 'Yesterday'. But the lawyers were able to shut those sites down pretty effectively, at least for the time being.

Once again, my objection to the tone of the posts here is solely based on the apparent denial of the notion that posting a piece of intellectual property, properly copyrighted, on a website that allows thousands or millions of people to access it for free, is theft, or that sharing a piece of intellectual property with a friend is the same thing as posting it on a torrent site and letting millions of people access it.
 
Quote from traderNik:

Sounds like a pretty convenient analysis. Actually, the hesitation and fear you feel should be the result of the fact that you are about to commit a crime - namely, copyright infringement. It is absolutely wrong, in my view, to say that this is the 'creation of the media companies'. Forgive me for saying so, but it is crystal clear that this point that you have never been a content creator. If you had slaved away in order to create a product and then seen your product illegally copied and disseminated for free, you would be singing a different tune. You would be aggrieved, not the media companies. You, as the content creator, would be aggrieved.

It is somewhat intellectual dishonesty for you to now claim that copying a piece of copyrighted material and giving it to your friend is the same as posting it on a public website along with a key so that thousands of people can acquire it for free. This attempt shows the flaw in your 'argument', although to be quite honest, I can't really see any proper argument here yet - just assertion.

If you purchase a piece of intellectual property, properly copyrighted, and you copy it and disseminate it, you are committing a crime. There is no way around that. That is what copyright is. The content creator, has the sole right to copy it. See? Copyright.


Retain control of what is legally theirs and is being stolen from them? Errr, yes, I can see that the would go to those lengths. So would you, had you ever seen your work stolen.

Ad nauseam, I am not here to suggest that I am on the litigation bandwagon. I am not. I just find it very distasteful to hear people attempting to skirt the issues in this way.

Do you not see that if I, as a sole creator of a piece of intellectual property, am unable to control the dissemination of that property, then I am not able to make a living by creating the content? Furthermore, do you not agree that this issue is becoming more and more relevant as intellectual property rights are probably the most important aspect of ownership going forward?

If we did only what were legal, we would all be British subjects to this day. There are periods of time when we rethink what should be legal and what should be illegal. I think this is such a time. If I purchase an item, I should be able to do what I want with it, including giving it to a million people. Please don't ask me to protect your livelihood, that's your responsibility - in other words, don't hand that unwanted responsibility to me, and then threaten me when I don't take care of it for you.
 
Quote from wilburbear:

If I purchase an item, I should be able to do what I want with it, including giving it to a million people.
Bizarre.

Quote from wilburbear:
Please don't ask me to protect your livelihood, that's your responsibility - in other words, don't hand that unwanted responsibility to me, and then threaten me when I don't take care of it for you.
You don't have to protect my livelihood. All you need to do is make sure you don't contravene copyright law. If you buy a piece of copyrighted intellectual property and then either make your own copies and sell them (isn't it neat how that is just so clear... copies, after all!!), or provide free copies to anyone who asks, then don't feel bad when you go to jail, which is where you belong. The reason you belong there is because you didn't have the legal right to copy the property. That right belongs solely to the owner.

Or are you against the idea of private ownership completely? You would have to be, since that is where your argument leads.

The livelihood of intellectual property creators, content creators, doesn't need your protection. It is protected by the rule of law and has been for a long time. This is as it should be.
 
Quote from wilburbear:

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Lower your cost of trading, and/or maintaining your trading office. Free software including Windows Vista Ultimate. No, I am not connected with this website in any way whatsoever. I am a multi-year ET member with 700 posts. I pass this along for those who are interested in reducing their fixed costs.

No, this website is not illegal. The site even goes so far as to publish "takedown" notices with replies to "go sodomize yourself" (!), in answer to these senseless requests.

Millions of people all over the world are getting pretty good prices for their software - everything's f-r-e-e. Don't be one of the last people who has to pay for this stuff, you'll be disadvantaged from the start.
The website may not be illegal, however, the distribution and downloading of pirated software and intellectual property is.

For those who individuals who choose to disregard copyright laws and download illegal software, consider other than the legal and moral implications but the Virus which may be associated with this generous gift...

Let me see, trading website..... tracking cookies..... passwords.... Brokerage accounts..... What is the website offering "free" software actual intent....

I currently receive spam E-mail for penny stocks and replica watches, which started after accidently opening a banner ad on this website.... the last header included the term "newbie" for the watch spam...

Beware when clicking the link... it may just be another Pandora...

Safe trading to you all....
 
Quote from traderNik:

Bizarre.


You don't have to protect my livelihood. All you need to do is make sure you don't contravene copyright law. If you buy a piece of copyrighted intellectual property and then either make your own copies and sell them (isn't it neat how that is just so clear... copies, after all!!), or provide free copies to anyone who asks, then don't feel bad when you go to jail, which is where you belong. The reason you belong there is because you didn't have the legal right to copy the property. That right belongs solely to the owner.

Or are you against the idea of private ownership completely? You would have to be, since that is where your argument leads.

The livelihood of intellectual property creators, content creators, doesn't need your protection. It is protected by the rule of law and has been for a long time. This is as it should be.

The right to copy may belong to the owner, but he can't enforce it, and hasn't been able to enforce it for years. You can pay for your own software, but you'll only disadvantage yourself if you do. Others will have lower costs.
 
Quote from wilburbear:

The right to copy may belong to the owner, but he can't enforce it, and hasn't been able to enforce it for years.

Wow... if you look in the dictionary under the word 'assertion', you might see this statement. As I said before... bizarre. It seems you believe this to be true just because you are saying it. Certainly there is no basis in fact for this statement whatosoever. It seems absurd to even have to say it, but intellectual property rights are firmly in place and enforced on a daily and global basis.

You might just as logically observe people speeding and then try to say 'It is illegal to exceed the speed limit but they can't enforce it and they haven't been able to enforce it in years'.
 
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Quote from traderNik:

Wow... if you look in the dictionary under the word 'assertion', you might see this statement. As I said before... bizarre. It seems you believe this to be true just because you are saying it. Certainly there is no basis in fact for this statement whatosoever. It seems absurd to even have to say it, but intellectual property rights are firmly in place and enforced on a daily and global basis.

You might just as logically observe people speeding and then try to say 'It is illegal to exceed the speed limit but they can't enforce it and they haven't been able to enforce it in years'.

http://thepiratebay.org/browse/301
 
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