SOTU - Global Warming is a FACT

Not sure how many times I have to say this but.....CO2 can both lead and lag. When temps go up so does CO2. When CO2 goes up so does temps. And the reverse. This is basic bedrock proven climate science .

Why some folks here can't understand that is beyond me.
 
futurecurrents said:
.....CO2 can both lead and lag....
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Assuming that's correct, you should be very much bothered. Obviously, if CO2 can lag, there is something going on here in addition to the too simple explanation that rising CO2 causes temperature to go up.
 
piezoe said:
Assuming that's correct, you should be very much bothered. Obviously, if CO2 can lag, there is something going on here in addition to the too simple explanation that rising CO2 causes temperature to go up.
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ASSUMING that's correct? Of course it's correct. You DO know that CO2 is greenhouse gas right? Yo DO know that as oceans warm they can carry less CO2 and tend to outgas the CO2 all else being equal?

And yes, all else being equal, if CO2 goes up then so does temps and visa versa. It IS that simple. Does it follow every little jig and jag? No. But on a longer term basis rising CO2 in the atmosphere raises temps. And rising temps raises CO2. Positive feedback. This is the cause of the large temperature variations of the past. This is basic bedrock proven climate science. Why you still don't get this is a mystery, Though I suspect it has something to do with you being a righty. ?

Sigh.........I guess we need THE CHART again......


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that is a nice story... but this one is just as possible...

as oceans warm or cool based on solar and tide activites... they off gas or digest co2.
For instance, during a warming cycle evenutally the oceans off gas so much co2 the co2 starts block the sun's energy and we eventually start cooling.



futurecurrents said:
ASSUMING that's correct? Of course it's correct. You DO know that CO2 is greenhouse gas right? Yo DO know that as oceans warm they can carry less CO2 and tend to outgas the CO2 all else being equal?

And yes, all else being equal, if CO2 goes up then so does temps and visa versa. It IS that simple. Does it follow every little jig and jag? No. But on a longer term basis rising CO2 in the atmosphere raises temps. And rising temps raises CO2. Positive feedback. This is the cause of the large temperature variations of the past. This is basic bedrock proven climate science. Why you still don't get this is a mystery, Though I suspect it has something to do with you being a righty. ?

Sigh.........I guess we need THE CHART again......


Co2ClimateChangeAndFossilFuel.jpg
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jem said:
that is a nice story... but this one is just as possible...

as oceans warm or cool based on solar and tide activites... they off gas or digest co2.
For instance, during a warming cycle evenutally the oceans off gas so much co2 the co2 starts block the sun's energy and we eventually start cooling.
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You stupid piece of lying shit. We have raised CO2 levels by 40% by burning fossil fuels. That has increased the greenhouse effect of CO2 by about the same. That's why it's getting warmer you fucking intellectually dishonest douchebag. Please shut the fuck up.
 
CO2 changes trail changes in the ocean. That is what the data and the science say.

If you don't like salby and refuse to examine his data... we can make it simple for you.
other scientist have found similar phase relationships.

The highlights of the paper are:

► The overall global temperature change sequence of events appears to be from 1) the ocean surface to 2) the land surface to 3) the lower troposphere.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 11–12 months behind changes in global sea surface temperature.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging 9.5-10 months behind changes in global air surface temperature.

► Changes in global atmospheric CO2 are lagging about 9 months behind changes in global lower troposphere temperature.

► Changes in ocean temperatures appear to explain a substantial part of the observed changes in atmospheric CO2 since January 1980.

► CO2 released from use of fossil fuels have little influence on the observed changes in the amount of atmospheric CO2, and changes in atmospheric CO2 are not tracking changes in human emissions.

The paper: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921818112001658

The phase relation between atmospheric carbon dioxide and global temperature
 
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The bottom line is that with the rate of greenhouse gas emissions increasing, a significant warming trend is expected to also continue. This warming will manifest itself in a variety of ways, and shifts in climate could occur quickly, so while society needs to continue to wrestle with the difficult issues involved with mitigation of the causes of global warming, an increased focus should be placed on adaptation to the effects of global warming given the sensitivity of civilizations and ecosystems to rapid climate change.
Potential outcomes range from moderate and manageable to extreme and catastrophic, depending on a number of factors including location and type of effect, and amount of greenhouse gas emissions. Not every location and its inhabitants will be affected equally, but the more the planet warms, the fewer "winners" and the more "losers" there will be as a result of the changes in climate. The potential exists for the climate to reach a "tipping point," if it hasn't already done so, beyond which radical and irreversible changes occur.
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futurecurrents said:
The Future
The bottom line is that with the rate of greenhouse gas emissions increasing, a significant warming trend is expected to also continue. This warming will manifest itself in a variety of ways, and shifts in climate could occur quickly, so while society needs to continue to wrestle with the difficult issues involved with mitigation of the causes of global warming, an increased focus should be placed on adaptation to the effects of global warming given the sensitivity of civilizations and ecosystems to rapid climate change.
Potential outcomes range from moderate and manageable to extreme and catastrophic, depending on a number of factors including location and type of effect, and amount of greenhouse gas emissions. Not every location and its inhabitants will be affected equally, but the more the planet warms, the fewer "winners" and the more "losers" there will be as a result of the changes in climate. The potential exists for the climate to reach a "tipping point," if it hasn't already done so, beyond which radical and irreversible changes occur.
Copyright The Weather Channel, 2007. All Rights Reserved


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Communism is the way to solve this, right?
 
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