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So a totally debunked paper from an anti-vaxxer associated with the German far-right political party AfD which has failed all the fact checks and no meaningful medical journal will publish. What fine "evidence".
False: There is a direct connection between COVID vaccines and excess mortality
https://eufactcheck.eu/factcheck/fa...-between-covid-vaccines-and-excess-mortality/
Not totally debunked at all. Why do lie so often...gwb?
The questionable "debunking" discusses a different study with a different title and a more limited data set from what I just read in the links provided. You see decent people read what they post before they make claims.
The questionable "debunking" discusses a different study with a different title and a more limited data set from what I just read in the links provided. You see decent people read what they post before they make claims.
Read the fact check and the German paper totally debunking the nonsense pushed by psychologist Christof Kuhbandner and mathematician Matthias Reitzner. There are many other available fact checks as well showing their "research" is false and conclusions totally incorrect.
Here is the later paper debunking the nonsense shoveled by these two anti-vaxxers.
Analyse der Übersterblichkeit während der COVID-19-Pandemie in Deutschland, 2020–2022
https://www.bifg.de/publikationen/epaper/10.30433/ePGSF.2023.005
No lying moron... your "debunking" addressed a different study.
The new study found an increasingly stronger relationship between the vaccination rate and excess mortality. As so many have observed the last few years in varied data sets and observations.
The new studied wrote this is in the conclusion...emphasis added...
"While the excess mortality in the first and second pandemic year was strongly correlated with the reported number of deaths and infections, in the second and third pandemic years, an increasingly stronger relationship between excess mortality and the vaccination rate was observed. Contrary to what would be expected with an effective vaccination, positive instead of negative correlations were observed: the more vaccinations were administered in a federal state, the greater the increase in excess mortality"
the study your team critiqued was more limited.
a. Your teams study... ..
https://assets.cureus.com/uploads/original_article/pdf/149410/20230626-18966-49ysst.pdf
Your Papers' Title... Estimation of Excess Mortality in Germany During 2020-2022
Conclusion
This study used the state-of-the-art method of actuarial science to estimate the expected number of allcause deaths and the increase in all-cause mortality for the pandemic years 2020 to 2022 in Germany. In 2020, the observed number of deaths was extremely close to the expected number, but in 2021, the observed number of deaths was far above the expected number in the order of twice the empirical standard deviation, and in 2022, above the expected number even more than four times the empirical standard deviation. The analysis of the age-dependent monthly excess mortality showed that high excess mortality starting from spring 2021 is responsible for the excess mortality in 2021 and 2022. An analysis of the number of stillbirths revealed a similar mortality pattern than observed for the age group between 15 and 80 years. As a starting point for further investigations explaining these mortality patterns, we compared the excess mortality to the number of reported COVID-19 deaths and the number of COVID-19 vaccinations. This leads to several open questions, the most important being the covariation between the excess mortality, the number of COVID-19 deaths, and the COVID-19 vaccinations.
b. BKR888 more recent study
https://www.researchgate.net/public...n_Federal_States_During_the_COVID-19_Pandemic
Differential Increases in Excess Mortality in the German Federal States During the COVID-19 Pandemic
Conclusion
The present study used the state-of-the-art method of actuarial science to estimate excess mortality in the federal states of Germany in the three pandemic years (04/2020 to 03/2023). The estimated excess mortality showed substantially variance across the federal states. The exploration of several key state-specific quantities revealed that only two quantities showed a strong correlational relationship with the observed excess mortality: COVID-19 deaths and the COVID-19 vaccination rate. While the excess mortality in the first and second pandemic year was strongly correlated with the reported number of deaths and infections, in the second and third pandemic years, an increasingly stronger relationship between excess mortality and the vaccination rate was observed. Contrary to what would be expected with an effective vaccination, positive instead of negative correlations were observed: the more vaccinations were administered in a federal state, the greater the increase in excess mortality. This correlational finding is in line with previous correlational findings in the temporal domain, showing that excess mortality was highest during the months with a high number of vaccinations. The fact that particularly high excess mortality occurs both in regions and in time windows in which many vaccinations took place provide strong correlational evidence that the vaccinations may have had a negative effect instead of a positive effect. These findings support recent concerns about the COVID-vaccinations (Mead et al. [22]), and substantiate the suspicion that the negative side effects of the vaccination may possibly outweigh the positive effects
The new study found an increasingly stronger relationship between the vaccination rate and excess mortality. As so many have observed the last few years in varied data sets and observations.
The new studied wrote this is in the conclusion...emphasis added...
"While the excess mortality in the first and second pandemic year was strongly correlated with the reported number of deaths and infections, in the second and third pandemic years, an increasingly stronger relationship between excess mortality and the vaccination rate was observed. Contrary to what would be expected with an effective vaccination, positive instead of negative correlations were observed: the more vaccinations were administered in a federal state, the greater the increase in excess mortality"
the study your team critiqued was more limited.
a. Your teams study... ..
https://assets.cureus.com/uploads/original_article/pdf/149410/20230626-18966-49ysst.pdf
Your Papers' Title... Estimation of Excess Mortality in Germany During 2020-2022
Conclusion
This study used the state-of-the-art method of actuarial science to estimate the expected number of allcause deaths and the increase in all-cause mortality for the pandemic years 2020 to 2022 in Germany. In 2020, the observed number of deaths was extremely close to the expected number, but in 2021, the observed number of deaths was far above the expected number in the order of twice the empirical standard deviation, and in 2022, above the expected number even more than four times the empirical standard deviation. The analysis of the age-dependent monthly excess mortality showed that high excess mortality starting from spring 2021 is responsible for the excess mortality in 2021 and 2022. An analysis of the number of stillbirths revealed a similar mortality pattern than observed for the age group between 15 and 80 years. As a starting point for further investigations explaining these mortality patterns, we compared the excess mortality to the number of reported COVID-19 deaths and the number of COVID-19 vaccinations. This leads to several open questions, the most important being the covariation between the excess mortality, the number of COVID-19 deaths, and the COVID-19 vaccinations.
b. BKR888 more recent study
https://www.researchgate.net/public...n_Federal_States_During_the_COVID-19_Pandemic
Differential Increases in Excess Mortality in the German Federal States During the COVID-19 Pandemic
Conclusion
The present study used the state-of-the-art method of actuarial science to estimate excess mortality in the federal states of Germany in the three pandemic years (04/2020 to 03/2023). The estimated excess mortality showed substantially variance across the federal states. The exploration of several key state-specific quantities revealed that only two quantities showed a strong correlational relationship with the observed excess mortality: COVID-19 deaths and the COVID-19 vaccination rate. While the excess mortality in the first and second pandemic year was strongly correlated with the reported number of deaths and infections, in the second and third pandemic years, an increasingly stronger relationship between excess mortality and the vaccination rate was observed. Contrary to what would be expected with an effective vaccination, positive instead of negative correlations were observed: the more vaccinations were administered in a federal state, the greater the increase in excess mortality. This correlational finding is in line with previous correlational findings in the temporal domain, showing that excess mortality was highest during the months with a high number of vaccinations. The fact that particularly high excess mortality occurs both in regions and in time windows in which many vaccinations took place provide strong correlational evidence that the vaccinations may have had a negative effect instead of a positive effect. These findings support recent concerns about the COVID-vaccinations (Mead et al. [22]), and substantiate the suspicion that the negative side effects of the vaccination may possibly outweigh the positive effects
Basically you are first selectively quoting the respected study which clearly demonstrates "that over three-quarters of the excess mortality was associated with a prior COVID-19 infection".
The second study you are quoting is by psychologist Christof Kuhbandner and mathematician Matthias Reitzner which has widely been discredited.
But you already know this... and are just intent on shoveling nonsense and sowing confusion. This is how anti-vaxxers work.
In other news, jem and BKR88 are the same person... both just peddle conspiracy nonsense.
There were two studies and I provided the links and conclusions from both to point out.... you were lying about the most recent study being debunked.
And really your so called debunking was really a critique...with a b.s conclusion.
Finally, the world woke up to the serious risks your beloved vaccines held for the healthy...your years of misinformation and lies are no longer working for the millions you harmed or exposed to undue risk.
And really your so called debunking was really a critique...with a b.s conclusion.
Finally, the world woke up to the serious risks your beloved vaccines held for the healthy...your years of misinformation and lies are no longer working for the millions you harmed or exposed to undue risk.
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