Sorry, another Covid thread :-)

LacesOut said:
The research discusses mRNA vaccines so it’s safe to say they were mRNA poison.
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You have no business reading these papers as you seem unable to read them correctly. The only mention of mRNA vaccines is in conjunction with the existing literature, and in that regard the authors state the literature is "reassuring" with regard to mRNA vaccine associated myocarditis incidence in adolescents.

There is no mention of what vaccine the 40 study subjects received, and one can not assume anything re the specific vaccine the subjects had received. I note that these were Hong Cong youths. Consequently the most likely candidate for their vaccine was the one produced in China, since Hong Cong is now a special administrative region of China.

This paper would likely not survive peer review without identification of the vaccine the subjects received. That and other reasons are why it is unlikely to have gone through the peer review process.

We do not know which of the many Covid vaccines the subjects in this small study received. And although it is likely they received the inferior non-mRNA Chinese vaccine, nevertheless all subjects "ECGs" returned to normal within an average of 10 months or less, according to the study. There was no "horrible" consequence as you maintain.

I would find it both frustrating and pointless to try and discuss gadolinium enhancement in magnetic resonance imaging with you, so I won't comment on the paper's highly speculative comments regarding LGE findings reported elsewhere in the literature. If you want more reliable data based on n= 1.6 million who did receive the mRNA vaccines , versus n = 40 with unidentified vaccine in the study you found, it is available to you via a link I provided. But you best get help in interpreting that paper as well.
 
LacesOut said:
And here’s more amazing news.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2590136223000591

Two teenage boys who suffered heart inflammation following Pfizer’s Covid jabs and then seemed to recover had relapses months later - Italian researchers

SAFE (as a depop weapon)
n EFFECTIVE (at maiming and killing)
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First, thank you for finding a peer reviewed paper this time. Elsevier is not a favorite publisher with me, but dislike of them has nothing to do with the quality of articles they publish, which in general is high. Note that the vaccine in the linked to publication is specifically identified. Yay!

Here is the summary finding that you will be able o read and understand:

The CMR showed new focal areas of edema in the first case report and stable lesions in the second one. They reached full recovery with normalization of cardiac enzymes after few days. These case reports outline the need of strict follow-up in patients with CMR consistent with myocarditis after mRNA-based-COVID19 vaccine. More efforts are necessary to depict the underlying mechanisms of myocarditis after SARS-CoV2 vaccination to understand the risk of relapsing and the long-term sequelae.

Note that even in this rare incident reported there is not yet any indication of any "horrible" long term consequence."Maiming and killing" is attributable to full fledged Covid infection, but certainly not to the mRNA vaccines. Again we learn that myocarditis , vaccine associated or not, is usually not a very serious ailment when it presents among the young, who almost always quickly recover. That can't be said of myocarditis developed in unvaccinated and hospitalized Covid patients in hospitals. Covid associated myocarditis is life threatening.

Do you have any idea of how many doses of the Pfizer vaccine have been administered to teenagers worldwide? What do think the relative incidence of myocarditis "relapses" is for the Pfizer vaccine world wide? And what is the incidence of such "relapses" versus the incidence of clinical Covid infection among unvaccinated teenagers or their immediate families who are exposed through their infected teenagers. What is the incidence of "long Covid" among the unvaccinated. This would seem to be a greater concern then the rare incidence of inconsequential, mRNA vaccine associated myocarditis among teenagers. All of the foregoing considerations must be included in our consideration of the value of Covid vaccination.

The next time you go to school you might think about studying science rather than whatever it was you studied the first time around.
 
piezoe said:
You have no business reading these papers as you seem unable to read them correctly. The only mention of mRNA vaccines is in conjunction with the existing literature, and in that regard the authors state the literature is "reassuring" with regard to mRNA vaccine associated myocarditis incidence in adolescents.

There is no mention of what vaccine the 40 study subjects received, and one can not assume anything re the specific vaccine the subjects had received. I note that these were Hong Cong youths. Consequently the most likely candidate for their vaccine was the one produced in China, since Hong Cong is now a special administrative region of China.

This paper would likely not survive peer review without identification of the vaccine the subjects received. That and other reasons are why it is unlikely to have gone through the peer review process.

We do not know which of the many Covid vaccines the subjects in this small study received. And although it is likely they received the inferior non-mRNA Chinese vaccine, nevertheless all subjects "ECGs" returned to normal within an average of 10 months or less, according to the study. There was no "horrible" consequence as you maintain.

I would find it both frustrating and pointless to try and discuss gadolinium enhancement in magnetic resonance imaging with you, so I won't comment on the paper's highly speculative comments regarding LGE findings reported elsewhere in the literature. If you want more reliable data based on n= 1.6 million who did receive the mRNA vaccines , versus n = 40 with unidentified vaccine in the study you found, it is available to you via a link I provided. But you best get help in interpreting that paper as well.
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Yes it’s horrible.
“Given that impaired myocardial deformation and LGE are indicators of subclinical myocardial function and fibrosis, there exists a potential long term effect on exercise capacity and cardiac functional reserve during stress”.
Check out Bronny James for what happens when you are sub clinically injured by mRNA vaccines.
Or JJ Watt. Or any other youngish athlete who’s hearts have been damaged or destroyed by S protein via vaccination.

The amount of beboppin and scatting by the pro myocarditis monsters is truly amazing. It takes a special kind of lowlife to note this as acceptable.

You can read the Israeli paper of n=million if you are obsessed with study size. Or just check VAERS (or Eudra or YellowCard) - that’s a huge sample of free form data which makes the provaxtards eyes glaze.

Not safe. Not effective. Not necessary.
The people were once duped but now they have spoken.
NEVER AGAIN (unless they are retarded).
 
piezoe said:
First, thank you for finding a peer reviewed paper this time. Elsevier is not a favorite publisher with me, but dislike of them has nothing to do with the quality of articles they publish, which in general is high. Note that the vaccine in the linked to publication is specifically identified. Yay!

Here is the summary finding that you will be able o read and understand:

The CMR showed new focal areas of edema in the first case report and stable lesions in the second one. They reached full recovery with normalization of cardiac enzymes after few days. These case reports outline the need of strict follow-up in patients with CMR consistent with myocarditis after mRNA-based-COVID19 vaccine. More efforts are necessary to depict the underlying mechanisms of myocarditis after SARS-CoV2 vaccination to understand the risk of relapsing and the long-term sequelae.

Note that even in this rare incident reported there is not yet any indication of any "horrible" long term consequence."Maiming and killing" is attributable to full fledged Covid infection, but certainly not to the mRNA vaccines. Again we learn that myocarditis , vaccine associated or not, is usually not a very serious ailment when it presents among the young, who almost always quickly recover. That can't be said of myocarditis developed in unvaccinated and hospitalized Covid patients in hospitals. Covid associated myocarditis is life threatening.

Do you have any idea of how many doses of the Pfizer vaccine have been administered to teenagers worldwide? What do think the relative incidence of myocarditis "relapses" is for the Pfizer vaccine world wide? And what is the incidence of such "relapses" versus the incidence of clinical Covid infection among unvaccinated teenagers or their immediate families who are exposed through their infected teenagers. What is the incidence of "long Covid" among the unvaccinated. This would seem to be a greater concern then the rare incidence of inconsequential, mRNA vaccine associated myocarditis among teenagers. All of the foregoing considerations must be included in our consideration of the value of Covid vaccination.

The next time you go to school you might think about studying science rather than whatever it was you studied the first time around.
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As a biology major who focused on biotech, virology and immunology, I’m more than qualified to state, without any hesitation, and BASED IN THE DATA, that these are the most dangerous useless experimental non vaccines ever coerced into the human population.

What’s rare is anyone under the age of 20 dying because COVID. It’s basically zero. What’s much higher is the number of people who have been killed and maimed by these garbage poisons. Poisons which never stopped transmission infection hospitalization or death.

‘Long COVID’ may be a spike protein vaccine injury. But mostly it’s a psychological problem of hypochondria and malingering. It seems that The only people who suffer from ‘Long COVID’ are the vaccinated.

To put kids in harms way was an abomination - and anyone who celebrates it is a fucking anti-science piece of feces.
 
piezoe said:
First, thank you for finding a peer reviewed paper this time. Elsevier is not a favorite publisher with me, but dislike of them has nothing to do with the quality of articles they publish, which in general is high. Note that the vaccine in the linked to publication is specifically identified. Yay!

Here is the summary finding that you will be able o read and understand:

The CMR showed new focal areas of edema in the first case report and stable lesions in the second one. They reached full recovery with normalization of cardiac enzymes after few days. These case reports outline the need of strict follow-up in patients with CMR consistent with myocarditis after mRNA-based-COVID19 vaccine. More efforts are necessary to depict the underlying mechanisms of myocarditis after SARS-CoV2 vaccination to understand the risk of relapsing and the long-term sequelae.

Note that even in this rare incident reported there is not yet any indication of any "horrible" long term consequence."Maiming and killing" is attributable to full fledged Covid infection, but certainly not to the mRNA vaccines. Again we learn that myocarditis , vaccine associated or not, is usually not a very serious ailment when it presents among the young, who almost always quickly recover. That can't be said of myocarditis developed in unvaccinated and hospitalized Covid patients in hospitals. Covid associated myocarditis is life threatening.

Do you have any idea of how many doses of the Pfizer vaccine have been administered to teenagers worldwide? What do think the relative incidence of myocarditis "relapses" is for the Pfizer vaccine world wide? And what is the incidence of such "relapses" versus the incidence of clinical Covid infection among unvaccinated teenagers or their immediate families who are exposed through their infected teenagers. What is the incidence of "long Covid" among the unvaccinated. This would seem to be a greater concern then the rare incidence of inconsequential, mRNA vaccine associated myocarditis among teenagers. All of the foregoing considerations must be included in our consideration of the value of Covid vaccination.

The next time you go to school you might think about studying science rather than whatever it was you studied the first time around.
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Most peer-reviewed research points to the fact that Myocarditis occurs in both not vaccinated and vaccinated groups.

Further, both groups have rare deaths. Yet, only one group has more adverse events plus additional adverse events...it's the group that is not vaccinated and then becomes infected with Covid.

We can sit here all day and nick-pick any peer-reviewed article, research, study that fits our narrative or pick selective stories of individuals with a name from either group to try to prove our point when in reality it proves nothing...
  • It's a nauseating / ignorant (aka ad nauseam) game being abused on social media by idiots with too much free time on their hands.
Yeah, I've done it myself too but have grown tired of it. :vomit:

The one thing I will not do is use data/statistics/research/studies from another country outside of North America. Anyone with a brain should realize something is suspicious with those statistics from another country that are not similar to North America. :rolleyes:

Some of the best data about Myocarditis (injuries & deaths) have been occurring since 2007 although it actually began a few decades prior to the early 2000s. Guess what, people rarely died from Myocarditis in the 80's, 90s, 2000s and the same today.

The most amazing and ridiculous aspect...scientists are still confused by what causes Myocarditis although there has been ongoing research into the Genetics of it.
Gene polymorphisms found on Chromosome Y were found to promote susceptibility to myocarditis in males 11. Thus, both testosterone and genes present on the Y Chromosome lead to increased cases and severity of myocarditis in men.​

Yet, even with the above...it's only about 10% - 20% of Myocarditis cases in young athletes. As I mentioned several times, my old man had Myocarditis once as a youth (he's tall, cross country runner), I had it twice as a youth (tall, rower)

My children were first tested for it on their 10th birthday...so far...so good for my children considering they are very athletic (tall for their age group) and exercise extensively: rowing, cross country, soccer, hockey...depending upon which friends they hang out with. :D

They were tested again prior to Covid vaccination and 30 days after Covid vaccination...nothing wrong. Yet, as stated, it proves nothing.

Regardless, the issue that is often ignored by the idiots on Myocarditis...it's occurring in both groups (not vaccinated and vaccinated).
  • Vaccine‐related myocarditis was 0.95 per 100,000 individuals
  • Global statistics, across 204 countries and territories, 10.2–105.6 people with myocarditis per 100,000 populations. It is also estimated that there are 1.8 million incidences of myocarditis each year in the global population prior to Covid.
Look very carefully at the above numbers in comparison...should be a light-bulb moment for anyone that's not brain-dead.

Further, since 1990 by the Global Burden of Disease (GBD) database...Myocarditis in the general population has increased by a whopping 62.19%, from 780,410 cases in 1990 to 1,265,770 cases in 2019...

Nobody knows why...lots of ongoing research, studies, guesses and blame.

The sad part, it has been fatal (rare) in both groups but more in the not vaccinated group. :banghead:

Houston, we got a problem...it's not vaccines.

wrbtrader
 
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wrbtrader said:
Most peer-reviewed research points to the fact that Myocarditis occurs in both not vaccinated and vaccinated groups.

Further, both groups have rare deaths. Yet, only one group has more adverse events plus additional adverse events...it's the group that is not vaccinated and then becomes infected with Covid.

We can sit here all day and nick-pick any peer-reviewed article, research, study that fits our narrative or pick selective stories of individuals with a name from either group to try to prove our point when in reality it proves nothing...
  • It's a nauseating / ignorant (aka ad nauseam) game being abused on social media by idiots with too much free time on their hands.
Yeah, I've done it myself too but have grown tired of it. :vomit:

The one thing I will not do is use data/statistics/research/studies from another country outside of North America. Anyone with a brain should realize something is suspicious with those statistics from another country that are not similar to North America. :rolleyes:

Some of the best data about Myocarditis (injuries & deaths) have been occurring since 2007 although it actually began a few decades prior to the early 2000s. Guess what, people rarely died from Myocarditis in the 80's, 90s, 2000s and the same today.

The most amazing and ridiculous aspect...scientists are still confused by what causes Myocarditis although there has been ongoing research into the Genetics of it.
Gene polymorphisms found on Chromosome Y were found to promote susceptibility to myocarditis in males 11. Thus, both testosterone and genes present on the Y Chromosome lead to increased cases and severity of myocarditis in men.​

Yet, even with the above...it's only about 10% - 20% of Myocarditis cases in young athletes. As I mentioned several times, my old man had Myocarditis once as a youth (he's tall, cross country runner), I had it twice as a youth (tall, rower)

My children were first tested for it on their 10th birthday...so far...so good for my children considering they are very athletic (tall for their age group) and exercise extensively: rowing, cross country, soccer, hockey...depending upon which friends they hang out with. :D

They were tested again prior to Covid vaccination and 30 days after Covid vaccination...nothing wrong. Yet, as stated, it proves nothing.

Regardless, the issue that is often ignored by the idiots on Myocarditis...it's occurring in both groups (not vaccinated and vaccinated).
  • Vaccine‐related myocarditis was 0.95 per 100,000 individuals
  • Global statistics, across 204 countries and territories, 10.2–105.6 people with myocarditis per 100,000 populations. It is also estimated that there are 1.8 million incidences of myocarditis each year in the global population prior to Covid.
Look very carefully at the above numbers in comparison...should be a light-bulb moment for anyone that's not brain-dead.

Further, since 1990 by the Global Burden of Disease (GBD) database...Myocarditis in the general population has increased by a whopping 62.19%, from 780,410 cases in 1990 to 1,265,770 cases in 2019...

Nobody knows why...lots of ongoing research, studies, guesses and blame.

The sad part, it has been fatal (rare) in both groups but more in the not vaccinated group. :banghead:

Houston, we got a problem...it's not vaccines.

wrbtrader
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Thanks for the thorough comments and especially the data on general myocarditis incidence and vaccine related.. This, I would hope, would put this thread to rest, though I knew, as I read your nice post, it wouldn't. And sure enough, ridiculous, non-germane posts followed.
 
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