Soon MAN will be a GOD! HA!

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The fact that an opinion has been widely held is no evidence whatever that it is not utterly absurd.
Bertrand Russell
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That's a two edged sword...
 
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Stu,

Ok, let me see if I am clear on this, you accept that both matter and life exist and are distinct. I assume you hypothesize that matter under certain situations becomes life. (Jump in if I am building another straw man) If this be the case, as I said before, objectively demonstrate it! Otherwise be open-minded to the theory of a cause of all causes having personality. (Note: not the under-developed theory of Gilbert the Sky Daddy)

The body of man was/is made from dust. I think modern science basically agrees with this statement. If some beginning religious student believes otherwise, influenced by their ignorance or the cheating propensity of a businessman in the guise of a priest/pastor (the businessification of religion - see also; the STUification of open minded scientific inquiry) then that would have to come under the un-bonafide category. I am sorry that you have also misunderstood the "dust" passage. Don’t feel bad, it often happens to the conceptually impaired.

The He and His usage in relation to the Absolute is in regard to “Him” being a person. Oh yea, the "She" aspect is contained within the Absolute. Oops, forgive me. I used the "A" word again.

I ask again…. So whose "baseless faith" is that?? Is it yours? Whose baseless faith is it that demands a sky daddy created life from dust ?

Again, dust never becomes life. It is modern science that is asking you to have this baseless faith, and perhaps your sky daddy Gilbert and a few intelligent design theory Christians.

Correct me if I am wrong but what you probably meant to ask in your “straight forward question” is, who/what do I think is the source of both matter and life or what is the source of all energies within our universe (and others)?

I think you already know my answer – The Supreme Personality of Godhead, the prime causal.

We both hold matter and life to be distinct. (Unless I have created a straw man again) My theory holds that they are always/eternally/ABSOLUTELY distinct and your theory is that they become distinct



My theory rests on the platform of absoluteness, which you do not accept and cannot be experienced through the field of matter (gross or subtle) and thus passed through the litmus test of your senses and is therefore not scientific in your understanding.

Being that you do not like to accept any theory (or word) that cannot be demonstrated through the realm of your limited senses, I was wondering your view on quantum theory or string theory. Are they the transitory speculations of simplistic sky fairy contemplating pseudo-scientists or are have you violated your own sense perception criteria in the contemplation of them?

Ok, for a moment, forget about your hang-up of there being a primal cause to the infinitude of universes and their contents or the possibility that something exists beyond the realm of your senses.

I simply would like to see an objective demonstration of your cherished life generating from, and becoming distinct from, matter theory. (It does not have to be your beloved Dr. Frankenstein creating a human; a gnat, fruit fly or worm would suffice.

On the other hand, you seem to want a demonstration that life is not a product of matter but at the same time you accept life to be distinct from matter. Hmm…….. How about DEATH? The material particled(will a noun becoming a verb clear STU’s tangent spinning grammar police?) bodily form remains but the life particle is no longer present.

Don’t worry you will get your demonstration soon enough. In the meantime while you wait for your personal demonstration maybe you will get lucky and have one of those near death, out of body experiences. From what I have hear those seem to happen to people who are having problems conceptualizing anything existing beyond the realm of their sense perception.

Anyway, I look forward to your new book “The Universe According To My Sense Perception” I heard it was going to be a bestseller amongst the world’s intellectuals and the people of Missouri.
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They,

Try to Focus !

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I ask again…. So whose "baseless faith" is that?? Is it yours? Whose baseless faith is it that demands a sky daddy created life from dust ?
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Again, dust never becomes life. It is modern science that is asking you to have this baseless faith, and perhaps your sky daddy Gilbert and a few intelligent design theory Christians.
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"Dust Never Becomes Life" you say !! You are incorrect According to the Bible Dust Becomes Life

It is The Bible which demands that believers have this baseless faith. It is founded on the Bible that some people think life came from dust material !!!

Science does not

Scientific experiments demonstrate:
montmorillonite clay creates a vehicle by which RNA could get into sacks of liquid compounds.

Life from "mud"

Not YOUR Frankenstein, but like blood transfusion, like organ transplant, like vaccine experiments in their early days....

life as we know it from minerals and material based on hard repeatable demonstrable experiment. Not yet proven yet even so, a mountain of evidence compared to NOTHING that life came from dust breathed upon by God thingy.

Not hard to comprehend, nor is it incoherent.

Dust with life breathed in by God thingy is incoherent.



ps: you are another who fails to see the significance, irony and implications of Gilbert -v- The God sky daddy thingy :D
 
Quote from TradeForChrist:

We permit it because of our ability to eradicate it and not doing so.The ability is our talent to do so;you seem to be thinking in terms of me and you.i think interms of "us"and "we".We eradicated polio,didn't we.that is an example of man's God given talent to ease or eliminate our suffering.
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How does humankind eradicate diseases for which there is no known technology to overcome??

How does humankind eradicate ALL suffering when there are babies born with congenital disease for which there is no known cure ??

How does humankind eradicate ALL suffering when suffering is caused by natural events such as earthquake ??

How is it in the "talent" of humankind to do any of those things??
 
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How does humankind eradicate diseases for which there is no known technology to overcome??

How does humankind eradicate ALL suffering when there are babies born with congenital disease for which there is no known cure ??

How does humankind eradicate ALL suffering when suffering is caused by natural events such as earthquake ??

How is it in the "talent" of humankind to do any of those things??
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How did mankind cure polio when ther was "no known cure"for it?By using their God given talent to find a cure.If man wants something bad enough he finds a way.The problem is everyone wanting things for themselves and not for the good of everyone.By the way you never answered my question.Would you eliminate all suffering if you could?
 
Quote from LongShot:

"There exists no intelligent people who are not rational; and no rational theists."
LongShot

lol
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I can see you still enjoy an open-minded discussion....
 
>i am all for the advancement of science
Right then some of these "scientists" suggest to substitute humans with robots whenever possible, so advancement of science for what ? That God exists or not, human consciousness is necessary for science without it science is not worth.

Quote from Gordon Gekko:

i can't stand when religious people are against genetic engineering. they claim that is only "god's" business. hello, as far we know, there is no "god."

i am all for the advancement of science.
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One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion, because religion makes men virtuous. So I am told; I have not noticed it.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Why I Am Not A Christian"

aint it the truth. :p
 
The whole conception of a God is a conception derived from the ancient oriental despotisms. It is a conception quite unworthy of free men.... We ought to stand up and look the world frankly in the face. We ought to make the best we can of the world, and if it is not so good as we wish, after all it will still be better than what these others have made of it in all these ages.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Why I Am Not A Christian

yes bert, right again.
 
My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race. I cannot, however, deny that it has made some contributions to civilization. It helped in early days to fix the calendar, and it caused Egyptian priests to chronicle eclipses with such care that in time they became able to predict them. These two services I am prepared to acknowledge, but I do not know of any others.
-- Bertrand Russell, "Has Religion Made Useful Contributions to Civilization?"

hmmm.. bert, i too know of no other... :-/
 
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