Love ya' bro!
Not that there's anything wrong with that....
"Songbird" McCain Gets SwiftBoated
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Love ya' bro!
Not that there's anything wrong with that....
"...Although the word "Republican" does not appear in the ad, the group's financing is highly partisan. The source of the Swift Boat group's money wasn't known when it first surfaced, but a report filed July 15 with the Internal Revenue Services now shows its initial funding came mainly from a Houston home builder, Bob J. Perry, who has also given millions to the Republican party and Republican candidates, mostly in Texas, including President Bush and Republican Majority Leader Tom DeLay, whose district is near Houston.
Perry gave $100,000 of the $158,750 received by the Swift Boat group through the end of June, according to its disclosure report.
Perry and his wife Doylene also gave more than $3 million to Texas Republicans during the 2002 elections, according to a database maintained by the Institute on Money in State Politics. The Perrys also were among the largest Republican donors in neighboring Louisiana, where they gave $200,000, and New Mexico, where they gave $183,000, according to the database."
"Sen. John McCain -- who has publicly endorsed Bush and even appealed for donations to the President's campaign -- came to Kerry's defense on this. McCain didn't witness the events in question, of course. But he told the Associated Press in an August 5 interview:
McCain : I think the ad is dishonest and dishonorable. As it is none of these individuals served on the boat (Kerry) commanded. Many of his crewmates have testified to his courage under fire. I think John Kerry served honorably in Vietnam..."
http://www.factcheck.org/republican-funded_group_attacks_kerrys_war_record.html
"An election lawyer for President Bush who also has been advising a veterans' group running TV ads against Democrat John Kerry resigned Wednesday from Bush's campaign."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/25/politics/main638542.shtml
Swift Boat Veterans for Truth Republican Connection
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth_Republican_Connection
Oh, and a bit of light reading for you:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250002
I hope for his sake that O'Neill's trousers are made of flame-retardant materials.
Obvioiusly I wasn't clear.
It's a well known fact that Oneill was funded by a Republican from Texas, that I don't dispute.
Does that mean the content of the ad isn't true?
My question was, what was the conspiracy in 1971 when Kerry and Oneill went on Dick Cavett together and Kerry got his face ripped off by Oneill, what was the conspiracy then?
My point is long before Kerry ran for President did Oneill have a big problem with Kerry and he wasn't invented out of thin air. He may have been funded by republicans but that doesn't mean what he said wasn't true.
BTW, quoting media matters is no different than quoting rush limbaugh as a source of truth. It's meaningless.
It's a well known fact that Oneill was funded by a Republican from Texas, that I don't dispute.
Does that mean the content of the ad isn't true?
My question was, what was the conspiracy in 1971 when Kerry and Oneill went on Dick Cavett together and Kerry got his face ripped off by Oneill, what was the conspiracy then?
My point is long before Kerry ran for President did Oneill have a big problem with Kerry and he wasn't invented out of thin air. He may have been funded by republicans but that doesn't mean what he said wasn't true.
BTW, quoting media matters is no different than quoting rush limbaugh as a source of truth. It's meaningless.
1971? Was it not clear enough for you? Let me help. Kerry said the following during that exchange:
I think that what we're doing is we're trying in a sense to show where the country went wrong, and we believe that as veterans who took part in this war, we have nothing to gain by coming back here and talking about those things that have happened except to try and point the way to America, to try and say, "Here is where we went wrong and we've got to change." And I think that the attitude of the Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace [John O'Neill's gang] is really one sort of of my country, right or wrong, which is really on the intellectual level, I think, of saying my mother, drunk or sober.
And I think that just as when your mother is drunk, you take her and dry her out - God forbid that she is - you take your country, in the words of Senator Carl Schurz, who said, "My country, right or wrong. When right, keep it right; when wrong, put it right." And I think that that's what we veterans are trying to do.
In the fullness of time, John O'Neill has amply and repeatedly demonstrated that he is a lying thug. He's also a "my country, right or wrong" kind of guy. Period. That's why O'Neill had issues with Kerry in 1971. O'Neill would have flourished during the Third Reich, don't you think? (Or even the Bush administration...or even Fox News.)
Thanks for asking, John. By the way, where is your stop loss on this losing argument?
Are you done lying now?
Folks, here is a link to the ENTIRE transcript of the show from 1971, it is not the convenient modified version the previous author has posted to bolster his argument.
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=KerryONeill
Folks, here is a link to the ENTIRE transcript of the show from 1971, it is not the convenient modified version the previous author has posted to bolster his argument.
http://www.wintersoldier.com/index.php?topic=KerryONeill
So basically, anyone who opposed Kerry, Obama, Clinton, et al are lying thugs supported by right wing crooks? Don't bother with the facts, just attack them personally.
Just another version of the liberals' version of the First Amendment in action: "Anyone who disagrees with me shut the fuck up."
Just another version of the liberals' version of the First Amendment in action: "Anyone who disagrees with me shut the fuck up."
or it has to be some conspiracy orchestrated by some ultra wealthy right wing crazies.
black helicopters, the carlyle group, oil, skull and bones clubs, the shriners.
The left has been hijacked by the moveon and soros groups and are now full of nuts in the same way the right was hijacked by the religious right.
black helicopters, the carlyle group, oil, skull and bones clubs, the shriners.
The left has been hijacked by the moveon and soros groups and are now full of nuts in the same way the right was hijacked by the religious right.
No. The lying thugs are the ones who lie. We identify them by catching them in their lies. Then we know that they are lying thugs. Do you see how that works?
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250002
Is this the type of liar you seek to expose?
MR. KERRY: Well, I have often talked about this subject. I personally didn't see personal atrocities in the sense that I saw somebody cut a head off or something like that. However, I did take part in free fire zones and I did take part in harassment interdiction fire. I did take part in search-and-destroy missions in which the houses of noncombatants were burned to the ground. And all of these, I find out later on, these acts are contrary to the Hague and Geneva Conventions and to the laws of warfare. So in that sense, anybody who took part in those, if you carry out the applications of the Nuremberg principles, is in fact guilty.
He didn't see the atrocities but he sure as hell testified he did didn't he?
Where was your group during the campaign if you and your group expose thugs and liars?
MR. KERRY: Well, I have often talked about this subject. I personally didn't see personal atrocities in the sense that I saw somebody cut a head off or something like that. However, I did take part in free fire zones and I did take part in harassment interdiction fire. I did take part in search-and-destroy missions in which the houses of noncombatants were burned to the ground. And all of these, I find out later on, these acts are contrary to the Hague and Geneva Conventions and to the laws of warfare. So in that sense, anybody who took part in those, if you carry out the applications of the Nuremberg principles, is in fact guilty.
He didn't see the atrocities but he sure as hell testified he did didn't he?
Where was your group during the campaign if you and your group expose thugs and liars?
Wensink, you've lost your compass.