Something very simplistic

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Originally posted by futures4me


I still don't understand. Why not buy/short then watch price direction. Enter your sell/cover whichever direction the price edges toward.

I have a fear of adding additional problems/bugs etc with these third party "unknown" add-ons. Is my fear unjustified here?

Thanks fellow traders.:)


Try using his method for the first time and you will see why traders using TWS need an automated mechanical system. In realtime its not easy... Personally I get nervous when I have to click a buch of Transmits in seconds.. just seeing all of those orders waiting gets me uneasy.. because I know I will eventually mess up a few times and it will cost me dearly.


--MIKE
 
Originally posted by Runningbear
Quah, first let me congratulate you on the success of the system, it's one of the few mechanical systems I have seen that works so consistently.

Personally I think the fib entry has little to do with the success of the system. I think the secret is the fact that you use a smaller profit target, than your stop, and as long as you trade with the immediate direction of the market, you will get hit predominantly on the profit target side.

As you can see from the performance of the system on the NQ to the ES today, the higher the volatility and the lower the profit target, the better the performance. Buying directional momentum with a very small profit target is what I believe makes this system so good.

There was an article in Active Trader magazine a couple of months ago about a trader who also used a longer stop than profit target, which at the time I found interesting. He also had a very high win to loss ratio. Worth a look for any of you guys interested in this thread. From memory he was using much bigger stops, in the region of 7 points.

So instead of using the fib entry points, I would like to offer a suggestion to everyone for another entry point, that should give similar results with more trading opportunities per day.

Now many traders trade off five minute bars, both scalpers and intraday swing traders, so when each five minute bar is completed, if the high is higher than the high of the previous five minute bar, it is going to trigger, momentum buy signals for a range of traders operating off longer time frames. Therefore if in the last few seconds of a five minute bar, the market has already made a higher high than the previous five minute bar you would go long.

Once the market ticks over into the first minute of the new five minute bar, new players get their signal and buy in and the market gives a little surge, which should be enough to get your profit target hit most of the time. You could confirm the direction with any other indicator, such as the Stochastic.

The reason the stop reverse also works so well is because when the market doesn't hit your profit target, you have generally bought at the top of an exhaustion move and the market wants to reverse quickly, getting you hit on the other side often.

If you traded once every five minutes for the first 2 hours and the last two hours, you would have 40 trades a day plus however many reversals. And you could take a decent lunch break.

Many of you may be surprised to know that I trade a swing system, that uses a stop reverse on failed breakouts from a two day high. So the reversal technique can work across any time frame with great effect.

I'm not a daytrader so I'd be happy to hear from anyone that can test my theory in the market.

Cheers,

Runningbear
Someone who thinks this clearly should not be using a computer to trade - he should be using the computer in his head.

nitro
 
Originally posted by Runningbear
What do you mean by that Nitro?

Runningbear
I think you have a clear mind - someone that has a clear analytical mind should learn to trade and use a computer only to display quotes, execute trades, and look at charts once in a while....

The idea of a system is like the calls that Odysseus heard while at sea..."tie your self to a post" or you will waste a lot of your life, or worse...IMHO

Leave the "systems" to people that have no "choice."

nitro
 
So if I'm a cotton picker, and I have 100 acres of cotton to pick, and some guy invents a machine to pick the cotton for me, and all I have to do is operate the machine, I should discard it because I don't want to get tied to the machine?

:confused:
 
Originally posted by inandlong
So if I'm a cotton picker, and I have 100 acres of cotton to pick, and some guy invents a machine to pick the cotton for me, and all I have to do is operate the machine, I should discard it because I don't want to get tied to the machine?

:confused:
Did you ever see the movie "The Time Machine." Remember those good looking blonde people whose society became so advanced that they didn't have to do anything anymore? Then, when all their technology failed, they had no idea how to provide for themselves.

A computer trading system is a moron. If you can make money by trading a system, then go for it - if that is the only way you can make money in the markets, I claim you don't know how to trade, and if you knew how to trade, you would realize what a joke most trading systems are.

If this system works, how long do you think it will stay profitable before machines are all fighting each other to get executed first - I know trading houses that have access to PTP lines to the exchanges - some are even AT THE EXCHANGE.

Anything this trivial will certainly be arbed if it works. Then what, wait for another system that works?

nitro
 
Which is more important... the end or the means to the end?

That's like saying you drive a car because you don't know how to ride a horse. "Any man worth his weight should be able to ride a horse, by golly." What is the objective?

The objective is to make money. If a "system" makes money, it is foolish not to employ it. "Yes I know I have the winning lottery ticket, but I don't want the money because I didn't earn it."

Every trade you make nitro is part of your system. If not, then it wouldn't be proprietary. Your monster is a system.

Edit: did you add to your post there? Now I have to comment on that.

I know how to trade. And I know that most systems are a joke. You happen to believe in your proprietary pairs trading system. That is why this little method is so cool. If executed properly, it works. How long will it work. As long as it does. What ...you think you are the only pairs trader out there. There are websites for that stuff. But somehow you keep cranking it out. Systems rarely don't work because too many people are using it.
 
Originally posted by inandlong
Which is more important... the end or the means to the end?

That's like saying you drive a car because you don't know how to ride a horse. "Any man worth his weight should be able to ride a horse, by golly." What is the objective?

The objective is to make money. If a "system" makes money, it is foolish not to employ it. "Yes I know I have the winning lottery ticket, but I don't want the money because I didn't earn it."

Every trade you make nitro is part of your system. If not, then it wouldn't be proprietary. Your monster is a system.
Yes, those are distractions for me and they have some merit.

But my day in and day out money is made TRADING. That means:

1) Tape reading, sector reading, market reading...
2) Listening to the story the market is telling on the macro that day, by interpreting and drawing on experience of the "day"
3) Looking for setups (the closest thing to a system in my armor there is)
4) Entering a position and monitoring for the wrong feel
5) Taking profits and loses at dynamically updating "points" (this is also systemic, but even this requires flexibility a computer is incapable of.)

In, no matter what comes of it, you will come out wiser.

Seriously, Best of Luck.

nitro
 
Originally posted by nitro

If you can make money by trading a system, then go for it - if that is the only way you can make money in the markets, I claim you don't know how to trade, and if you knew how to trade, you would realize what a joke most trading systems are.

Is your opinion that someone doesn't know how to trade something they should consider before they put any money in the markets? Is there some need to know how to trade (whatever that is according to you) in order to make money trading?
 
Originally posted by Quah


Is your opinion that someone doesn't know how to trade something they should consider before they put any money in the markets? Is there some need to know how to trade (whatever that is according to you) in order to make money trading?
Read the posts I have made. You cannot be making this statement if you understood what I am saying.

nitro
 
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