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[james_bond_3rd]

Quote from max401:

Bush and Cheney are leading a troop of Democrats on the scenic tour of a downtown city with Kerry, both Clintons, Gore and Pelosi in tow. They come across a motorcycle gang beating up a group of local citizens.

Bush says, "Let's get in there and save those people." Everyone agrees, "Yes! Let's save and protect these people!"

Bush leads the group into the fray and immediately gets hit in the face and has blood pouring out from a gash, but continues to lead the charge. Cheney does the same and gets a stab wound for his effort, but he too continues to fight.

Everyone else in the entourage suddenly realize that they might actually get hurt in this endeavor and start to scream, "Stop!" Bush and Cheney ignore the screams and continue the battle. The Democrats turn and run, now screaming, "You didn't have an exit plan! You didn't have an exit plan!"

The Democrats, realizing that the exercise might fail, want to make sure they don't get the blame.

Revisionist history. In 2000 campaign Bush was adamantly against "nation building." He certainly was not for "saving and protecting these people."

What did Bush really say? "Let's go in there and find WMD."

It was stupid of the Democrats to fall for it. But as I pointed out in another post, not all Democrats were blind.

People like Webb and Obama clearly predicted what could go wrong with this war. And indeed, the war unfolded exactly as Webb predicted.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from james_bond_3rd:

Bush is driving a car on the scenic California 101, with Kerry, Clinton, and whatever democrats you want .....

How's this scenario:

There is a country next to Iraq that hates the US with a passion, calls for its destruction on a regular basis, and is run by radical Islamists. This nation is flush with oil revenues and freely admits that it is pursuing a nuclear program. It has violated IAEA safeguards and openly supports Hizbollah in its continued pursuit to destroy Israel. This country is estimated to be only a couple of years away from manufacturing a nuclear weapon, which it could use itself or hand off to a terrorist organization. Being Islamic radicals, their own death and destruction does not fill them with dread. Instead, they envision this all being part of Allah's will.

Numerous moonbats in this country and Europe decry the hypocrisy of the US - how, they shout in outrage, can the US argue that it should be armed with nuclear weapons but other countries cannot? Instead of acknowledging the danger of a country that wants to destroy us, Israel, and Western civilization being armed with the technology to do precisely that, they turn their hatred inwards to their own countrymen. The US, they claim, is the real danger in the world. Why, those Islamic radicals won't harm us, they insist. They just want to be left alone. All their cries to the West that it must convert or die, and that a grand caliphate is destined to rule the world, is all propaganda manufactured by the Bush/Cheney/Halliburton/Zionist conglomerate that is involved in everything from infusing black neighborhoods with addictive drugs to orchestrating and carrying out the 9/11 attacks on its own cities and citizens.

If you are an American and believe that invading Iraq was the wrong thing to do because the WMD argument turned out to be incorrect, what say you to Iran becoming a nuclear power?

 

[james_bond_3rd]

Quote from hapaboy:

If you are an American and believe that invading Iraq was the wrong thing to do because the WMD argument turned out to be incorrect, what say you to Iran becoming a nuclear power?

Another reason why Iraq was a mistake. Of the three members of "axis of evil" named by Bush, Iraq is the only one that turned out to not have WMD.

If we were not so tied up in Iraq today, I'd go for a bombing campaign in Iran (but not ground war). But starting a bombing campaign in Iran with thousands of our soldiers still in Iraq would be insane.

I strongly suspect that Iran's hard line stance on nuclear technology is the direct result of the war in Iraq. It sees US pre-occupied in Iraq thus having few options to deal with Iran, and takes advantage of it.

I said it before in another thread, the true legacy of the Bush administration, is the nuclear Iran and North Korea.

 

[max401]

Quote from ZZZzzzzzzz:

By max401 "logic" if everyone at the party thought she was really 19, but she was actually only 14, it wouldn't be statutory rape...and Bush would still be claiming that he was right to fuck that 14 year old girl...

The "spilt milk" rationalization is typical of republiklans when they are caught on the wrong side of reality...

You again miss the point because your too busy satisfying your rabid desire to attack Bush.

If you take Bush out and hang him and his entire cabinet, we're still on the ground in Iraq. The daunting problem is how to get out without leaving the country destabilized and at the mercy of Iran/Syria insurgents.

 

[max401]

Quote from james_bond_3rd:

James Webb of Virginia

Barack Obama of Illinois

Russ Feingold of Wisconsin

Paul Wellstone of Minnesota

Lincoln Chaffee of Rhode Island

Jim Jeffords of Vermont

Patrick Leahy of Vermont

Carl Levin of Michigan

Robert Byrd of West Virginia

Paul Sarbanes of Maryland

and many more...

Produce the link with a quote that predicts the insurgency problem.

 

[ZZZzzzzzzz]

I don't put the gang and the gang leader who rapes a girl, then bears a child as a result, in charge of raising the kid...

Bush and company have exercised bad judgment over and over again, yet neoklowns want to continue to follow their flawed lead...and criticize those who point out the flaws in the "plan."

There were people who predicted exactly what would happen if Iraq was invaded and Saddam removed, the power vacuum that would follow, the civil war that would likely follow, the difficult task of nation building, and how Saddam was keeping Iran somewhat in check...yet you are not recommending that we listen to those visionaries who were correct, rather you continue to follow Bush and Cheney who have been wrong at nearly every turn...

Just an example of more max401logic...

Hell, if Bush and Cheney were really in favor of winning in Iraq, they would have called for a draft long ago to send half a million American troops or more to control the cities and borders of Iraq. I wouldn't have agreed with that move, but at least a logical argument could have been made for a soldier on every street corner.

Of course, we know how the American people would have responded to a draft for a war they don't believe in...and the neoklowns who are playing follow the leader aren't even seen volunteering themselves or sending their own sons and daughters to fight in Iraq...

The new "push" of 20K troops is a tragic joke, brought to us by the same men who brought us the failing situation we have now in Iraq, and the floundering situation we have in Afghanistan...

Quote from max401:

You again miss the point because your too busy satisfying your rabid desire to attack Bush.

If you take Bush out and hang him and his entire cabinet, we're still on the ground in Iraq. The daunting problem is how to get out without leaving the country destabilized and at the mercy of Iran/Syria insurgents.

 

[james_bond_3rd]

Quote from max401:

Produce the link with a quote that predicts the insurgency problem.

Sigh. Just because you're ignorant, don't assume everyone is. I really don't have time to do the research for you, but this would be a start:

http://www.jameswebb.com/articles/washpost/headingfortrouble.htm

September 4, 2002

Heading for Trouble: Do we really want to occupy Iraq for the next 30 years?

http://www.jameswebb.com/articles/nytimes/iraqwarugly.htm

March 30, 2003

The War in Iraq Turns Ugly


... the early stages of an occupation could see acts of retribution against members of Saddam Hussein's regime, then quickly turn into yet another round of guerrilla warfare against American forces. This point was made chillingly clear a few days ago by the leader of Iraq's major Shiite opposition group, who, according to Reuters, promised armed resistance if the United States remains in Iraq after Saddam Hussein is overthrown.

Welcome to hell. Many of us lived it in another era. And don't expect it to get any better for a while.

 

[acronym]

Quote from hapaboy:

How's this scenario:

There is a country next to Iraq that hates the US with a passion, calls for its destruction on a regular basis, and is run by radical Islamists. This nation is flush with oil revenues and freely admits that it is pursuing a nuclear program. It has violated IAEA safeguards and openly supports Hizbollah in its continued pursuit to destroy Israel. This country is estimated to be only a couple of years away from manufacturing a nuclear weapon, which it could use itself or hand off to a terrorist organization. Being Islamic radicals, their own death and destruction does not fill them with dread. Instead, they envision this all being part of Allah's will.

Naw, that isnt happening.


:eek: Curiously, numerous islamoonbat cleric's, around the globe, have said exactly the same thing, strangely, their not charged with the various bollocks treason definitions going..........
i dont think much of any other religion as you know, given the philosophy overall, will invariably call for death/rivers of blood/annihilation of non-beleivers.

Yes, all of them, dont give me a "new" interpretation craprap, either.


I wouldnt vote for a party, whose stated aim was to exterminate most of the planet on the basis of a superstition-even if they pledged to do enormous social good, through well thought out policies.

Because they wont, and cant. Their insane.

 

[hapaboy]

Quote from acronym:

Naw, that isnt happening.

Easy for you to say, living in Oz and all, and not being the Great Satan (perhaps one of the lesser Satans, but not top dog).

Curiously, numerous islamoonbat cleric's, around the globe, have said exactly the same thing, strangely, their not charged with the various bollocks treason definitions going..........

Assume you're referring to those Islamoonbat clerics who live in the West, i.e. Great Britain. Well, they're not charged with treason and such because they're exercising their freedom of speech and the gov. doesn't think they're (enough of) a threat yet. They oughta be deported, end of story, IMO.

Because they wont, and cant. Their insane.

Exactly. They're insane. You would trust insane people, who hate your form of government and your way of life, with nuclear weapons?

 

[acronym]

Quote from hapaboy:

Easy for you to say, living in Oz and all, and not being the Great Satan (perhaps one of the lesser Satans, but not top dog).

Assume you're referring to those Islamoonbat clerics who live in the West, i.e. Great Britain. Well, they're not charged with treason and such because they're exercising their freedom of speech and the gov. doesn't think they're (enough of) a threat yet. They oughta be deported, end of story, IMO.

Exactly. They're insane. You would trust insane people, who hate your form of government and your way of life, with nuclear weapons?

Yeah, except the extent of freedom of speech stops at treason, under the new laws.
As you can imagine, simply stating oz "should" be subject to say, sharia law, IS TREASON.
And various parties, have done as much , and more.
Al halali, i think was his name..........islam has no place in any civilised country, so long as its followers DONT abandon the worthless, cowardly superstition of their "book".







Its pathetic-they just charged david hicks, a wannabe, maybe, no- nuffin never was muhajadeen white boy, with what-attempted murder, and materially aiding terorists??????
Huh? how?

Compared to selling these fucks arms, for DECADES?

If it had stopped at elastic sling's, yeah great, but their not qualified to use weapons.
They keep blowing themselves up, right?

I mean, absolute bollocks. Not enough of a threat, YET, is laughable.

The powers at be, knew perfectly well, what would happen, and they did it anyway, 'coz it put $ in their pockets, nothing has changed.

Lesser satan? Well, i hope so.

I guess its fortunate, this joint is so friggin enormous and desolate, nobody thought of invading it yet. Uh, except whitey of course.

Also, in case you havent noticed, from you extensive study of this great southern land, deportation is not a sensible option