Some Hedge Funds really taking it

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everyone of your above investments will give mediocre returns due to friction costs including the previously mentioned taxes commissions, buying on offers and selling on bids, poor executions etc.
unless u are operating in an area where you have an advantage you will failbecause of friction costs. the small investor has an advantage over the big money because he can obtain and dispose of his position without disturbing the market.
all evidence points to the fact that mutual fund managers and hedge fundmanagers cannot out perform the market because of the friction costs and the law of large numbers which force money mangers to ignore certain investments
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You are not presenting any facts. Not presenting any statistics, cases or examples. Just opinion. What you can't rationalize can't possible be reality, can it?
 
HFRX Fund of Funds equal weight index in USD net of fees vs. MSCI World USD hedged.

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i will give you the opportunity to show me articles in respectable sources that prove hedge fund and mutual fund managers can outperform the market as a class after expenses. if what you say is true you should easily be able to proveit.

soros and buffett are such anomalies that the press fawns over them
 
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i will give you the opportunity to show me articles in respectable sources that prove hedge fund and mutual fund managers can outperform the market as a class after expenses.
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The burden of proof is on you, not me. You are questioning the rationale of billions of dollars invested by leading institutions, family offices and endowments, not me.

I posted a live single FOF track record and the equal-weight FOF sub-index of the leading hedge fund index (HFRX). So far, all you have presented for your case was your personal opinion, nothing else.
 
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Yep, they're taking it on the chin ...

Hedgefund Divorce Rates Skyrocketing
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WTF ??!!! I'm glad I'm broke and single.
 
Quote from zdreg:

i will give you the opportunity to show me articles in respectable sources that prove hedge fund and mutual fund managers can outperform the market as a class after expenses. if what you say is true you should easily be able to proveit.

soros and buffett are such anomalies that the press fawns over them
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Farallon Capital Management the Yale endowment has compunded 16.1% per annum. Harvard is second @ 14.9%
 
marketsurfer
Thanks for the post. Re the F3, I'm not surpised. That's what I like about the markets, somebody is always inventing a new wheel.:cool:
 
Quote from zdreg:

everyone of your above investments will give mediocre returns due to friction costs including the previously mentioned taxes commissions, buying on offers and selling on bids, poor executions etc.
unless u are operating in an area where you have an advantage you will failbecause of friction costs. the small investor has an advantage over the big money because he can obtain and dispose of his position without disturbing the market.
all evidence points to the fact that mutual fund managers and hedge fundmanagers cannot out perform the market because of the friction costs and the law of large numbers which force money mangers to ignore certain investments

the answer is that i am not interested in a diversified portfolio. i am interested in trading
where i have an advantage. no more no less.
when the day comes that i cannot i will go into index funds whether it is the stock market as a whole or sector efts . I certainly will not give somebody 20% off the top. and that individual does not share in my losses.
show me a money manager who shares in my losses and and does not receive compensation unless returns exceed a certain indice.
it will never happen because they cannot do do it.
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I'm going to let you in on a little secret- You are in the Wall Street News forum. Do me a favor- start a thread about how you can beat ANY hedge fund manager over ANY time period, dealing in EVERY discipline and market. Then, walk away for about 30 minutes. Come back and see just how much love you've gotten from the masses here. I feel dumber for having read all of your posts in this thread. Now, I know if I had more patience, I could explain this to you and eventually, you would catch on. But I have reached the end of my rope with you now, so goodbye. And don't feel you have to respond to this. If it helps you, I will stipulate that you are the most knowledgeable trader in the world. Nobody's better than you.
Best of luck and keep your head up, partner.
 
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marketsurfer
Thanks for the post. Re the F3, I'm not surpised. That's what I like about the markets, somebody is always inventing a new wheel.:cool:
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thanks. its a very dynamic space in the niche sections. most hedge funds, however, have become instituionalized thus are no better than the institutions they were created to compete with. 90% of all hedge funds are simple long/short funds with no edge that they can articulate.

the niche space is still creating phenomenal returns, in fact ,some are downright shocking.


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