Solid Evidence of Subprime Spill-over

those banks don't want to sell the foreclosed houses and take a loss on it--it's their problem for making those bad risky loans with no downpayment.

normally if the borrower doesn't pay interest on loan, the bank keeps the downpayment.
and sells the house at liquidate price to repay the loan.



Quote from stock_trad3r:

Also remember that while housing has been in a slump for years consumer spending is still strong.
 
that is the only way the price of homes would fall. maybe it's just the free market working....price needs to go lower.. these sellers of homes won't even take a 10% discount offer to buy their homes.


Quote from vectors101:

those banks don't want to sell the foreclosed houses and take a loss on it--it's their problem for making those bad risky loans with no downpayment.

normally if the borrower doesn't pay interest on loan, the bank keeps the downpayment.
and sells the house at liquidate price to repay the loan.
 
if you are just paying interest on your mortgage and no downpayment , it is the same as renting...




Quote from Comanche:

I know all of you have your favorite indicators and oscillators, convergences and divergences, etc, etc. And alot of you like to cipher through projections and such. But I have found rock-hard solid evidence that the subprime problems have already poured over the spillway.

I am sure I am not alone in receiving large daily quantities of un-solicited credit card offers in the mailbox. At times it seemed like they were chopping down a tree every week just for me. Well, over the last several weeks these have completely dried up, nada, zilch. I almost thought my mail must not be getting delivered. It isn't because I am subprime, my score is in the top 10%. This is contagion from subprime, and it is spreading.

This is going to hurt the consumer in a big way, argue what you will. Some of the smarter consumers were continuosly rolling debt from card to card to take advantage of introdutory rates to help manage their debts. Now that these offers are drying up, this is going to put further strain on the consumer and tighten up spending. And all of this is going to cause earnings guidances to lower, making the valuations some think are cheap, look more expensive.

I know some of you will argue this data, to me it isn't just a data set on a piece of paper, it's a real time casualty of credit tightening, not some bullshit doctored up number derived from our government that has told you the worst of housing is over for the last year and a half. And make no mistake that the larger piece of the "economic growth" of this latest bull market was purely driven by cheap credit and the consumer willing to take on debt to buy things they don't need.

Excessive consumer debt is a burden on economic growth, period.
 
Quote from vectors101:

if you are just paying interest on your mortgage and no downpayment , it is the same as renting...

you used to get capital gains as well.
 
Quote from vectors101:

if you are just paying interest on your mortgage and no downpayment , it is the same as renting...

So if you rent and prices go up you get the extra $$$ from appreciation? Also, you can use your rental as collateral?

Wow, I learned something on ET today! :)
 
Quote from vectors101:

the banks are holding loans don't people aren't even paying interest on it. loan default.

banks also have something call Loan-loss reserve(LLR) to cover defaults. The LLR is priced into every new loan a bank issues.
 
Quote from trefoil:

Only indication I've gotten so far is Bank of America sending me notice that they were raising their rate on balance transfers and cash advances. As if I'd ever do one without a promo rate.

You know, I got that one too.

I'm used to banks bending over backwards for my business, so I was surprised to see that. Probably will close my account as a result, since I really don't need that credit line at all, and the change seemed so draconian that it made me wonder if someone over at risk management in BOA credit cards had been reading Agora publishing too much and gotten a little bit caught up in the moment.

I think the maximum default credit rate was placed at 33% or something ridiculous. And you actually expect me to use your product? No thanks - I prefer my toxic waste in a different flavor.

But it definitely shows someone is VERY worried. Probably a bit too much, I would imagine. But again, what do they know that I don't know....
 
What they know that you don't comes from highly sophisticated software that tells them who's gonna default on what at what rate and at what amount of debt.
Fortunately, Discover is still offering me low rates and 5% cash back. Must not have gotten their software revved up yet.
 
Quote from trefoil:

What they know that you don't comes from highly sophisticated software that tells them who's gonna default on what at what rate and at what amount of debt.
Fortunately, Discover is still offering me low rates and 5% cash back. Must not have gotten their software revved up yet.

Yeah, I know - I almost worked for citi's credit card division making those models many many moons ago when I was a young whelp.

But I just retired a SERIOUS amount of debt over the last year, and carry next to nothing on my credit cards (except that lifetime 2.9% APR loan which I make the float on - thanks Citi). And this comes out? Outrageous.
 
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