Socrates Examines Technical Strategy

I neglected to make the point in responding to Ehorn that the reality of SCT is that the net-profit multiple of the daily range is far lower than the ideal multiple. Correct me if I am wrong, successful SCT traders. And please don't misunderstand, I ain't knockin' it, just trying to determine the practical limits.
 
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He abandoned us because we didn't shower him with adoration and gratitude.
Which brings up another point.

The opposite of Love isn't Hate, it's Apathy. :eek:
 
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I neglected to make the point in responding to Ehorn that the reality of SCT is that the net-profit multiple of the daily range is far lower than the ideal multiple. Correct me if I am wrong, successful SCT traders. And please don't misunderstand, I ain't knockin' it, just trying to determine the practical limits.

I posted a document above entitled: "an_overview_of_what_happened_in_et_during_the_last_few_years_edit_3_2003_rtf.doc"

It contains the following reference:
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A Performance Array (Cell values normalized to ATR multiples)

Trades					Skill level

	      Beginner 	  Adv. Beginner  Beginner  Intls   Intermed   Adv Int    Expert      Adv Expert

4		1.3		1.3		1.3	      1.6	2.0	  2.4		2.6
4-7		n/a		1.6		1.6	      2.0	2.4	  2.6		3.0
7 -15				n/a		1.6	      2.4	2.6	  3.0		3.3
15						n/a	      2.6	3.0	  3.3		3.6
15- 20 							      n/a   	3.3	  3.6		4.0
20- 40									n/a	  4.6		5.0
30-40										  n/a		6.0
"Performance is effectiveness and efficiency. Diagonal zones (lower left to upper right) show constant performance relative to the opportunity the market offers. The zones improve on the way down to the lower right of the quadrant (quadrant II in this tabular graphic orientation.)"
 
Thanks. Those figures include reasonable commission and sloppage? They bear any relation to your own experience? Do you really believe 40 RT? I mean, with my systems I could easily take 40 scalps a day, but I don't see 40 legit SCT-type trades. One of these days I'll go into why, but I am still focussed on profit and size limits.

BTW, my obsession with SCT begs the question "Don't you have anything ELSE to do?" In fact, my systems have been relatively stable for some months now, so except for the occasional "Why the fuck did THAT happen" investigation, I have nothing better to do that hair-ass Jack et al.

Also I stay up late and get up early trying to figure out if I can trade the overnight session. The pricks that run it usually retrace to simple S/R, but they do it with such breathtaking spreads that it is hard to participate without brass balls.
 
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I reject your premise. You don't help people by claiming you can do things you cannot.
http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2232147&#post2232147

I believe you make these claims so they'll listen to you and for adoration and you've been playing pied piper (on the internet at least) for YEARS, maybe even a decade. Remember the Harvard guys who came up empty handed after trying to decipher your gibberish for more than a year, starting in 1999?

Excerpt:

I don't understand why it's not possible to verify such a successful futures trading system if it is based on objective rules. My own attempts to automate the system have been frustrated at every turn by an enormous problem that is apparently only resolvable by gut instinct: when to let it ride. Jack gives instructions sometimes to get out at congestion, but other times this congestion may really just be a temporary jumble before the market continues its previous direction. Of course, if we move to a higher fractal, this jumble won't look so much like a jumble and we can ex post justify a decision not to sideline. But I cannot figure out an objective system for determining ex ante which fractal to make decisions on.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc...Futures"+Fowler&rnum=1&hl=en#ad6210f80809669d


Based on what you've claimed on ET alone I'd think you'd be a trillionaire by now. Where are the Hershey foundations and hospitals? Or are you going to follow Buffet and leave your billions to the Gates Foundation?

P.S. I didn't mean to insult you by putting you in the company of a rube like Buffett who's made less than 20% a year. If only he'd understood cesspool extraction!
Youve been doing some excellent work Trader666.

A great way to finish off the year! :p
 
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Thanks. Those figures include reasonable commission and sloppage? They bear any relation to your own experience? Do you really believe 40 RT? I mean, with my systems I could easily take 40 scalps a day, but I don't see 40 legit SCT-type trades. One of these days I'll go into why, but I am still focussed on profit and size limits.
It's obvious from his posts tha ehorn is just the latest in a long series of hard-core koolaid drinkers who believe Jack knows the pathway to unlimited wealth, and he and spydertrader are posting the information for free on ET.

LOL

There's not enough koolaid in the world to believe that one.
 
MBS, I am generally polite to people who are polite to me. If you ask enough questions of an ET poster, you can usually tell if they REALLY trade, which is the first test is paying attention to them. For example, YOU clearly trade. I mean NOBODY who DOESN'T trade would post charts like yours (Fearless9's style is similar). And I think Ehorn really trades. Now Jack has NEVER posted anything that suggests to me that he does anything but TEACH how to trade.
 
666, as I recall, you graciously declined letting me interview you some time back. How about a brief re-zoom to let people know why you are so rabidly anti-Jack? Might help the noobs understand that we are not just mad dogs, but care about new traders the way Jack CLAIMS to. I will if you will, and if we do, JJ will. T28 also has a great story I may try to prize out of him publicly.
 
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MBS, I am generally polite to people who are polite to me.
I was being polite.

ehorn was posting the usual disinformation promulgated by the Jack Hershey aficianados and I was doing the necessary anit-Jack propoganda. :D
 
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