Socialised health care in Canada poll

[spinn]

Quote from Mav88:

I would bet against both of those hyperbolic rants

You would lose that bet. I have lived both of those realities.

 

[Mav88]

You would lose that bet. I have lived both of those realities.

your statement wasn't about yourself, it was about all doctors and all people in the US, your personal experience is irrelevent

 

[Mnphats]

Quote from spinn:

Not to mention the fact that I have read that 80% of Americans have medical debt on their credit file, which lowers their credit score and increases their mortgage payments.

All of the sheep also do not realize that most DRs commit malpractice on an almost daily basis, at least in my experience.

There are not nearly enough medical malpractice lawsuits. DRs need to be sued back into the human race for the next 50 years or so.

Link Please.

 

[Kassz007]

Quote from Mav88:

So you are willing to wait 6 hours, and pay 50% taxes, because some dude got shot ripping off a liquor store. Well, ok, good for you but please don't force that morality on me.

50% taxes?! Are you insane?! I am Canadian and can tell you we pay nowhere NEAR 50% taxes! Please get your facts straight before you post.

 

[Mav88]

I'm sure higher income people do, but what I meant is that is what I would pay here in the states

 

[spinn]

Quote from Mnphats:

Link Please.

I couldn't find the numerous articles I saw two years ago stating 80% of Americans have medical debt on their credit file.

If half of bankruptcies are due to medical issues, that is not a stretch

Pull your credit file before you flame me....its free.

 

[Kassz007]

Quote from Mav88:

I'm sure higher income people do, but what I meant is that is what I would pay here in the states

Roger that.
But just for the record as I have heard many comments about extraordinarily high taxes in Canada to pay for the healthcare, here are the 2008 federal tax rates in Canada:

15% on first $39,000
22% on next $39,000
26% on next $49,000
29% on income over $126,000

Add roughly 5-10% provincial taxes depending on the province and your amount of income.

 

[Mav88]

I'm not really surprised that Canadians pay less than I do, we have a very lavish socialized medical care system for segments of our population and they cost a lot. We also are building this massive debt, so one way or another I am going to pay more.

 

[Mnphats]

Quote from spinn:

I couldn't find the numerous articles I saw two years ago stating 80% of Americans have medical debt on their credit file.

If half of bankruptcies are due to medical issues, that is not a stretch

Pull your credit file before you flame me....its free.

Not flaming just curious as to where you got your numbers. I did find a link from 2005.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6895896/

I doubt Harvard would lie.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from Mav88:

Most problems of the US Healthcare system have their roots in excessive cost. The cost obviously can not continue to escalate in excess of inflation in the general economy, becoming an ever larger fraction of the GDP. So even though nothing significant has been done yet to address the root cause, eventually something will have to be done, as there will be no other choice. May we all live long enough to see that day!

Canada simply rations it it by goverenment decree and not providing the option in the first place, problem solved. That way everyone suffers the same and the liberals feel good about themselves.

The root cause is that the US has a very sick population who have no problem laying claim to medical care way in excess of what they should get based on how much they produce. The government and has set it up that way, and it's the exact same mindset that killed housing. Either limit the available options, or let the free market do the rationing. In both cases some people will suffer but in the market case the greatest good will be acccomplished over time.

For emphasis, note that Canadian law explicitly allows for lack of treatment on some preemies, logical rationing even if by the government, but don't suffer from the illusion that everyone gets all the care they could want or even need under socialised health care

I disagree, and stand by my original post. Costs for equivalent procedures and for equivalent drugs, almost across the board, are significantly lower in Canada, and all other developed countries.

Rationing, whether it exists or not, is not relevant to the point i made, which is that until costs in the US are brought down no real progress can be made in addressing the failure of the US health care system.

I would agree with letting the free market operate, as that, i believe, is the best way to bring down cost. But you do understand, don't you, that the US Healthcare system is just about as far from a free market capitalist system as you can get! It is, in fact, a government condoned* Cartel in which the FDA and other government bodies are complicit! It is highly regulated and this regulation serves the interests of the Cartel, not the patient.

(I use "condone" here in the dictionary sense, meaning to overlook. )