Socialised health care in Canada poll

dcraig · Feb 12, 2009

Quote from 151:

I feel that the root of the healthcare problem is insurance. Why oh why is healthcare tied to insurance?

Also healthcare should in no way be tied to employment.

Why can't we have a free market health care system with a program similar to food stamps for the poor?

Your ideology is in direct conflict with common sense. Why do people have house insurance ? Because if their house burns down, it is a financial disaster that for many will take a lifetime to recover from (if at all).

Of course in a public health system, there is no such issue.

Mnphats · Feb 12, 2009

Quote from dcraig:

Your ideology is in direct conflict with common sense. Why do people have house insurance ? Because if their house burns down, it is a financial disaster that for many will take a lifetime to recover from (if at all).

Of course in a public health system, there is no such issue.

The government doesn't provide home owners insurance, you purchase it.

dcraig · Feb 12, 2009

Quote from Mnphats:

The government doesn't provide home owners insurance, you purchase it.

The OP to whom I was replying was advocating a so called free market and no insurance.

Ribs · Feb 12, 2009

Quote from 151:

Ribs I am glad you seem to have not taken offense to my post. I agree about your thoughs on the society in wich we live. However I cannot see how that changes the fact that healthcare is not a right that each and every human is born with.

It could possibly be written into law that healthcare was a right for American citizens but so far it has not.

I also do not see how it could be, because of the "what if no one wants to be a doctor" problem.

I hope you are not implying that American law is perfect and can not be improved, because that is what it sounds like

let me simplify it so you can understand what is very clear to me

two men are sick of curable disease, one is poor, another is rich

we cure the rich one because we made profit

we let the poor one die because he would cost the society money

YET HAD HE LIVED HE COULD HAVE INVENTED NEW COMPUTER CHIP

employed million people, payed millions in taxes

etc etc

dsss27 · Feb 12, 2009

Quote from Ribs:
YET HAD HE LIVED HE COULD HAVE INVENTED NEW COMPUTER CHIP

I guess someone will need to ask Jack Kilby and the kin of Robert Noyce if they were rich or poor.

Ribs · Feb 12, 2009

Quote from dsss27:

I guess someone will need to ask Jack Kilby and the kin of Robert Noyce if they were rich or poor.

only one poor shmuck you save

can make up for whole lot of shmucks

dave74 · Feb 12, 2009

Quote from Kassz007:

Way to sit on the fence and not take a position! lol

Seriously though, which European countries should us North Americanites look to for guidance and why? I'm not being facetious it is a genuine question as I am not familiar at all with European healthcare systems/standards.

UK, France, and Sweden.

dcraig · Feb 13, 2009

Quote from Mom0/pH0x:

Look everyone, I think we're getting beside ourselves here... I don't really think it's much of a debate as to which nation does a better job of keeping it's citizens healthy.... Canada's got that one by most any objective measure... I think a better question is: Should it be the governments responsibility to keep it's citizens in good health. That's the underlying issue here. The question here is ultimately a philosophical one.

Not just philosphical. In the case of communicable diseases if a significant portion of the population doesn't have ready access to health care, detection of the disease is likely to be later rather than sooner increasing the risk of further spread of the disease. In this sense, the well being of the individual is directly connected to the health of the whole population.

Ribs · Feb 13, 2009

this isn't working out

I VOTE that United States of America joins the mother country United Kingdom

and enjoys the protection of Queen Elizabeth the sovereign

Under our Queen and with the help of God (who obviously favors royalty) we shall prevail

This Thread is OVER

Just wait till we get a king, I'll be the giddiest lad in all of British Columbia

(real place by the way, BC usually called)

PS: prince Charles is incredibly good guy, good soul. But he is surrounded by devil and her minions

mccd · Feb 13, 2009

I'm Canadian. I've had nothing but good experiences with healthcare, as in when I need something, like specialists, x-rays, and operation etc. it's easy and quick (just present my healthcard) and I've never has a problem. In general I don't have to think about healthcare because the taxes I pay cover everything i need for much cheaper than if I paid for healthcare through an insurance company. If you want the lowest price, and most efficient system, there is only one: single payer.

The national healthcare system is about as popular in Canada, as say the Constitution or Bill of Rights is in America. Tommy Douglas (father of medicare) is the most popular Canadian of all time. If you were to run a poll on "Canadian Healthcare, yay or nay?" The pro side would win by a landslide, probably 98 or 99 percent to 1. Literally. It's that popular.