Social Security: How can it ever get exhausted??

Quote from SWhiting:

Something will need to be done such as raising the minimum age and, possibly, a means test. The gov't has NOT 'stolen' SS money: they have borrowed it and will pay it back when the need is there.

There is plenty of money available by cutting our immoral and unnecessary excessive military spending. We account for 52% of the world's total military spending and our allies account for another 30%. The SS 'problem' might very well be a blessing in disquise by forcing our country to abandon it militarism.

They stole it and are replacing it with government notes, IOU's.

Militarism is the only reason we have a country.

People have forgotten Stalin, Hitler, Mao.

John
 
Quote from SWhiting:

"... The gov't has NOT 'stolen' SS money: they have borrowed it and will pay it back when the need is there.

They MIGHT pay it back... but with what? Print-money inflation? Raise taxes so that we "pay ourselves back" for the money they stole?
 
Quote from gnome:

They MIGHT pay it back... but with what? Print-money inflation? Raise taxes so that we "pay ourselves back" for the money they stole?


how about a combo immigration, cutting benifits and raising the retierment age? DOnt forget socil security is solovent until the 2040's medicare and medicade have issues around 2018
 
Quote from KeithOmalley:

how about a combo immigration, cutting benifits and raising the retierment age? DOnt forget socil security is solovent until the 2040's medicare and medicade have issues around 2018

There are any number of partial solutions involving delaying, reducing benefits.

I have no proof, but I doubt SS is "solvent to 2040's". It MIGHT have been had not Congress stolen the reserves. If "solvency" now includes the phony bonds Congress exchanged, then any claims of financial durability are just more Gummint lies and accounting sleight of hand.
 
what always amazed me is how they cap it. I.e. if you make 90k, you pay the full 6.2% Yet if you make 100million (or any amount above 90k), guess how much you pay? .006%

Good ol' fair and equitable playing field in action. Money for congress subsidized by the poor and middle class.
 
Quote from dtrader98:

what always amazed me is how they cap it. I.e. if you make 90k, you pay the full 6.2% Yet if you make 100million (or any amount above 90k), guess how much you pay? .006%

Good ol' fair and equitable playing field in action. Money for congress subsidized by the poor and middle class.

Your view is terribly distorted...

1. The guy who makes $100Million is still going to get only $1200/mo from social security. Why should he be paying in $6 Million?

2. There is no cap on the Medicare tax. The $100 Million earner would pay $1.45 Million or $2.9 Million depending upon his employment status.

You've got it all wrong. The rich are rich IN SPITE of being hosed on taxes TO subsidize the poor and middle class... not from being subsidized by the have nots.
 
Quote from gnome:

There are any number of partial solutions involving delaying, reducing benefits.

I have no proof, but I doubt SS is "solvent to 2040's". It MIGHT have been had not Congress stolen the reserves. If "solvency" now includes the phony bonds Congress exchanged, then any claims of financial durability are just more Gummint lies and accounting sleight of hand.

from washington post

The trustees who oversee Social Security and Medicare issued new warnings yesterday that the two programs are becoming unaffordable but pushed back slightly their predictions of when the crunch will hit.

By 2017, Social Security will pay out more in benefits than it collects in taxes, the trustees said in their annual report. The program's trust fund is projected to be exhausted by 2041, one year later than estimated last year



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/04/23/AR2007042301963.html
 
Quote from gnome:

Your view is terribly distorted...

1. The guy who makes $100Million is still going to get only $1200/mo from social security. Why should he be paying in $6 Million?

2. There is no cap on the Medicare tax. The $100 Million earner would pay $1.45 Million or $2.9 Million depending upon his employment status.

You've got it all wrong. The rich are rich IN SPITE of being hosed on taxes TO subsidize the poor and middle class... not from being subsidized by the have nots.

Assume the money never gets paid out (not unfathomable). How much utility did the little guy lose? How bout the millionaire?
Does that sound equitable to you?
No, I think you have it wrong.

Let the rich guy pay out the full 6million, so he loses the same utility as the middle class, he should get it back in social security later, just like everyone else, right? Your 1200 number is only a fixed amount because the amount they pay is capped.
 
Quote from dtrader98:

Assume the money never gets paid out (not unfathomable)? How much utility did the little guy lose? How bout the millionaire?
Does that sound equitable to you?
No, I think you have it wrong.

It's illegal in America to discriminate based on any number of things... why is it OK to discriminate based on productivity?

BTW... The world doesn't owe you a living. America doesn't owe you a living.

The rich are subsidizing you and your government every which way from Sunday. You show lack of class when you complain that the hand-out you get isn't big enough.
 
Quote from GTS:

That doesn't make much sense. Everyone is going to die from something sometime.

When people stop dying from cancer, heart disease & diabetes then they will just live longer and get other illnesses which will requirement expensive treatments which medicare will cover.

The only way medicare costs go to zero is if everyone dies before they get on medicare, exactly the opposite of what is happening now.

If you take out cancer, heart disease, diabetes what else is there to kill you?

We will all die but kids born in 20 years will live to 120-150.


John
 
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