So where are all the IRS-Obama Scandle People now that the Truth is coming out?

[piezoe]

The 5th amendment also applies, I believe, in grand jury proceedings, certainly in the federal court system. However, a person has a 5th amendment right to a grand jury for felony charges only in the Federal Court system, not in the State systems.

I'm not positive, I haven't thought much about it, but had Zimmerman been indicted by a Grand Jury, I don't think the prosecution could have brought an additional charge at the last minute, because the Court has held that only under very limiting circumstances can the prosecution change the indictment of a grand jury.

That is one way Zimmerman got screwed by Attorney Corey. She charged him with just a hearing, and did not use a grand jury, and Zimmerman, unfortunately for him, did not have a 5th amendment right to a grand jury in the state system. (Just one of many ways our criminal justice system is screwed up.) Had she used a grand jury, the grand jury probably would have decided that there was not enough evidence to charge him with second degree murder, and possibly not even enough evidence to charge him at all. (I suppose that's why she didn't allow him a grand jury.)

 

[piezoe]

Quote from jem:

no you drifted into the ridiculous when you declared / implied the existance of a law which does not exist...with no support... so I pointed out how absurd your statement was...

so now... show us the sup ct law showing us you can take the 5th at a Congressional oversight hearing.... particularly when you work for the govt. ( remember the oversight hearing is not a court rooom, it is not a criminal or civil legal proceeding)

They have subpoena power. It is a legal proceeding. Stop this nonsense.

 

[jem]

Quote from piezoe:

They have subpoena power. It is a legal proceeding. Stop this nonsense.

ah now you seem to finally understand what I have been pointing out to you for page after page.

you might try supporting your statement with case law or statute.

for instance... my read of this would say... that an oversight hearing... is not a legal proceeding...



Generally if you do the research you will see legal proceeding are tribunals in which legal judgments are invoked.

For instance ever definition I read on the net... and I read about 10 said something like this...

Action or procedure instituted in a court of law to acquire a benefit, interest, or right or to enforce a remedy.

Read more: http://www.businessdictionary.com/definition/legal-proceeding.html#ixzz2ZX9Y7aN3

 

[jem]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_congressional_hearing

Oversight hearings[edit]
Oversight hearings review or study a law, issue, or an activity, often focusing on the quality of federal programs and the performance of government officials. Hearings also ensure that the executive branch's execution goes with legislative intent, while administrative policies reflect the public interest. Oversight hearings often seek to improve the efficiency, economy, and effectiveness of government operations. A significant part of a committee’s hearings workload is dedicated to oversight. For example, on a single day, May 8, 1996, the Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources held an oversight hearing to look into a recent increase in gasoline prices; the Committee on Governmental Affairs held an oversight hearing on the Internal Revenue Service; the Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions held an oversight hearing on the implementation of the Family and Medical Leave Act; and the Committee on Indian Affairs held an oversight hearing on the impact of a recent Supreme Court case involving Indian gaming. Many committees oversee existing programs in the context of hearings on related legislation, or routinely perform oversight when it is time to reauthorize a program, so oversight hearings may be combined with legislative hearings.


Investigative hearings[edit]
Investigative hearings share some of the characteristics of legislative and oversight hearings. The difference lies in Congress’s stated determination to investigate, usually when there is a suspicion of wrongdoing on the part of public officials acting in their official capacity, or private citizens whose activities suggest the need for a legislative remedy. Congress’s authority to investigate is broad and it has exercised this authority since the earliest days of the republic. Its most famous inquiries are benchmarks in American history: Credit Mobilier, Teapot Dome, Army-McCarthy, Watergate, and Iran-Contra. Investigative hearings often lead to legislation to address the problems uncovered. Judicial activities in the same area of Congress’s investigation may precede, run simultaneously with, or follow such inquiries.