So where are all the IRS-Obama Scandle People now that the Truth is coming out?

[Max E.]

Quote from denner:

Which govt agency is Piezoe drawing a pension from? I'm curious to know.

If my memory serves me correctly he is a teacher, typical.

 

[pspr]

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If my memory serves me correctly he is a teacher, typical.

LOL Now I understand the problem.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Max E. Pad:

If my memory serves me correctly he is a teacher, typical.

So he's making 5th graders smarter than you.

 

[jem]

Note. I do agree with piezoe that they should get her to roll on her superiors.

 

[Max E.]

Quote from Ricter:

So he's making 5th graders smarter than you.

No, more than likely if he is involved in the u.s. teaching system, he is passing illiterate ten year olds even though they cant read or write so that they become someone elses problem, all the while complaining that teachers should not be held accountable in any way whatsoever.

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from Ricter:

So he's making 5th graders smarter than you.

And special ED 2nd graders smarter than YOU.

 

[Ricter]

Quote from Max E. Pad:

No, more than likely if he is involved in the u.s. teaching system, he is passing illiterate ten year olds even though they cant read or write so that they become someone elses problem, all the while complaining that teachers should not be held accountable in any way whatsoever.

Are you implying Canadian education is better?

 

[jem]

I think you can say that dollar for dollar we have one of the least productive teachers in the world.

I am not saying our teachers suck... I am saying that the system has been put in place that encourages mediocrity or worse and frequently underserves the smart and hardworking kids... it rewards far to many administrators with huge salaries and is not willing to reward teachers based on merit. so we dump a ton of taxpayers in and get relatively poor results.

Quote from Ricter:

Are you implying Canadian education is better?

 

[Lucrum]

Quote from jem:

I think you can say that dollar for dollar we have one of the least productive teachers in the world.

I am not saying our teachers suck... I am saying that the system has been put in place that encourages mediocrity or worse and frequently underserves the smart and hardworking kids... it rewards far to many administrators with huge salaries and is not willing to reward teachers based on merit. so we dump a ton of taxpayers in and get relatively poor results.

Watch Stossel's "Stupid in America" series. It's a real eye opener.

 

[piezoe]

Quote from pspr:

No. you don't understand. If someone pleads the 5th, particularly a public servant, there is a general perception of guilt. SCOTUS can try to tell us what to think all they want. They do not have any power over what people think.

It is not intimidation to talk to subordinates or superiors to try and find the facts of the matter to investigate possible wrong doing.

Pleading the 5th does not exonerate one from criminal action nor prevent investigation into possible wrong doing. It merely means you are not required to testify or make statements that may incriminate yourself. The SCOTUS decision has nothing to do with an investigation.

You are interpreting the law and the discussion incorrectly as others have stated.

In this particular incident, the perception of guilt among the public is immaterial, except in the political sense. She can be investigated, as you say. But she can not be made to testify, and should not, unless granted immunity on this specific issue. It is not a matter of innocence or guilt, because regardless whether she has violated any law, it is a matter of prudence that her attorney advise her to invoke her 5th amendment right for the very reasons I mentioned.

Have you watched any of these hearings? If you have, you've noticed, I'm sure, a pattern. Step one, the witness is welcomed and smiled at; Step 2. they are asked an innocuous question and allowed to answer it; Step 3. they are asked a leading question and then interrupted in mid sentence when they try to give an answer; Step 4, the Committee Member launches into a tirade aimed at the IRS for the benefit of the Member's constituents. Any attempt by the witness to get a word in edgewise is immediately cut off. After the witness is sufficiently humiliated, brow beaten and insulted, the Member's time expires and the the next congressman takes over and follows the same pattern.

pspr. I would hope you would have the good sense to invoke your 5th amendment right were you to be called to testify before a similar committee. Personally, I'd like to see everyone of the witnesses invoke their 5th amendment right until there is some indication that this Committee is legitimately interested in investigating the IRS processing of 501c(4) applications. Instead they are using this venue as an opportunity to create a circus in which to demonstrate that they hate the IRS as much as you and I do, and isn't it a shame the IRS runs rough shod over all of us, blah, blah, blah. The performance by Issa's committee has been absolutely disgraceful considering that the IRS derives every bit of its authority, and the entirety of our insane, unintelligible, non-administratable, 77,000 page tax code, from these same congressmen now bringing the circus to town.

You are one of the few in this forum capable of a reasonable response. I try to avoid responding to purely ad hominem remarks, and that's why there is no response to some of the posts.