Snow because of global warming!

[Tresor]

Quote from bugscoe:

But you would agree that they should be in the film since "extreme weather" is the cause of global warming?

When you watch the movie with Monckton I posted you will know that Gore's film is full of unscientific lies, like:

a) number of storms increased rapidly as a result of global warming - in fact the number of storms and hurricanes has been stable.

b) Sahara desert will get even drier and bigger - in fact as a result of warmer temperatures there is more humidity and more precipitation over Sahara so this desert has been getting smaller. Also note: the more CO2 the more food for plants and earth is gettig greener.

Monckton won a trial in UK and now whenever ''Inconvenient truth'' movie by Gore is to be shown in any school in UK it has to be preceeded by lecture debunking this fim

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from bugscoe:

But you would agree that they should be in the film since "extreme weather" is the cause of global warming?

1) I have no idea what should be in a film, except for comedies.

2) Extreme weather is not a "cause" of global warming. Global warming has been shown through isotope measurements unequivocally to be caused by man-made CO2 production .

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Tresor:

When you watch the movie with Monckton I posted you will know that Gore's film is full of unscientific lies, like:

a) number of storms increased rapidly as a result of global warming - in fact the number of storms and hurricanes has been stable.

According to the IPCC report (which is what you should be sourcing, not Youtube videos, not movies) "[t]here is no clear trend in the annual numbers [i.e. frequency] of tropical cyclones." There is, for what it's worth, an increase in storms in the North Atlantic, however there's no way (yet) to prove any correlation of individual events with global warming. Maybe someday, but not someday soon.

b) Sahara desert will get even drier and bigger - in fact as a result of warmer temperatures there is more humidity and more precipitation over Sahara so this desert has been getting smaller. Also note: the more CO2 the more food for plants and earth is gettig greener.

Umm... great, if true. The only problem with that is the fact that CO2 levels are increasing, so the plants aren't growing fast enough to offset added CO2. Perhaps plant steroids are needed.

Monckton won a trial in UK and now whenever ''Inconvenient truth'' movie by Gore is to be shown in any school in UK it has to be preceeded by lecture debunking this fim

And because of this we can conclude... what?

 

[Tresor]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Extreme weather is not a "cause" of global warming. Global warming has been shown unequivocally, to be caused by man-made CO2 production through isotope measurements.

By your logic lung cancer causes smoking cigarettes while it is the other way round: smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer.

There is some correlation between temperature and CO2, namely temperature leads CO2:

When there is a rise in temperature then a rise in CO2 follows 800 - 1200 years later. When there is a drop in temperature a subsequent drop in CO2 is observed after 800 - 1200 years.

ERGO CO2 (also the one with human footprint) does not drive temperature up or down, it is rather the other way round.

 

[Tresor]

Quote from bigdavediode:

According to the IPCC report ..............

According to Mickey Mouse ... Mickey Mouse science is just as scientific as IPCC is.

Quote from bigdavediode:

Umm... great, if true.

True.

Quote from bigdavediode:

The only problem with that is the fact that CO2 levels are increasing, so the plants aren't growing fast enough to offset added CO2. Perhaps plant steroids are needed.

This isn't the first time you prove to be a biology ignorant.

Quote from bigdavediode:

And because of this we can conclude... what?

We can conclude that educational systems all over the world which are governed mostly by states are pieces of crap. They can get easily politicised by morons like Al Gore and their unscientific science. And a citizen has to go to court to change the schools' programme to be scientific. And children graduating from public schools are deprived of ability to think logically.

In 19th century when schools were private Al Gore would have been laughed at for his theories in any elementary school. In 21st century he is not even laughed at by some college's graduates.

In 19th century a citizen wouldn't have needed to to go court to force the school to teach the truth. He would simply send his kids to a school with high educational values. He can't now, when 99% schools are run by state officers.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Tresor:

By your logic lung cancer causes smoking cigarettes while it is the other way round: smoking cigarettes causes lung cancer.

Extreme weather doesn't "cause" anything, except for window damage and flooding. "Extreme weather" does not "cause" global warming.

There is some correlation between temperature and CO2, namely temperature leads CO2:

When there is a rise in temperature then a rise in CO2 follows 800 - 1200 years later. When there is a drop in temperature a subsequent drop in CO2 is observed after 800 - 1200 years.

ERGO CO2 (also the one with human footprint) does not drive temperature up or down, it is rather the other way round.

No. You have successfully confused facts about historical CO2 emissions from oceans and land masses caused by higher temperatures hundreds of thousands of years ago, with current issues which is additional CO2 added by humans. CO2 retains heat, and land masses also emit it during conditions of greater heat in a feedback effect.

You can argue that additional CO2 doesn't absorb heat, but it's easily disproved by simply looking at the laser absorption spectrograph of CO2.

 

[Tresor]

Quote from bigdavediode:

Extreme weather doesn't "cause" anything, except for window damage and flooding. "Extreme weather" does not "cause" global warming.

Of course extreme weather does not cause global warming. In fact recent few thousand years have very low rate of temperature change when compared to previous periods. There is nothing exceptional about today's weather to justify calling it ''extreme''.

Quote from bigdavediode:

No. You have successfully confused facts about historical CO2 emissions from oceans and land masses ............... at the laser absorption spectrograph of CO2.

No. You have unsuccessfully tried to convince a member of this forum that CO2 leads temperature.

What you wrote is typical pseudo-scientific gibberish jargon.

 

[bugscoe]

Quote from bigdavediode:

1) I have no idea what should be in a film, except for comedies.

2) Extreme weather is not a "cause" of global warming. Global warming has been shown through isotope measurements unequivocally to be caused by man-made CO2 production .

As record snowfall crippled the mid-Atlantic this week, many Republicans used the blizzard-like conditions to argue that global warming is a hoax. We speak to climate scientist Brenda Ekwurzel of the Union of Concerned Scientists, who argues the extreme weather is in fact a part of global warming.

 

[bigdavediode]

Quote from Tresor:

This isn't the first time you prove to be a biology ignorant.

Biology ignorant? CO2 levels are increasing. You have said that CO2 levels lag temperature change (which is only partially correct.) You have posted video that temperature levels are not increasing.

Can you recognize that your argument cannot fit together?

We can conclude that educational systems all over the world which are governed mostly by states are pieces of crap. They can get easily politicised by morons like Al Gore and their unscientific science. And a citizen has to go to court to change the schools' programme to be scientific. And children graduating from public schools are deprived of ability to think logically.

In 19th century when schools were private Al Gore would have been laughed at for his theories in any elementary school. In 21st century he is not even laughed at by some college's graduates.

In 19th century a citizen wouldn't have needed to to go court to force the school to teach the truth. He would simply send his kids to a school with high educational values. He can't now, when 99% schools are run by state officers.

Let me sum your rant up: nothing factual about global warming can be concluded by any statement in front of a film shown in a school, and it's sad that you think it was an argument.

 

[dcraig]

Quote from Tresor:

And lord Monckton explains how IPCC forged this graph

Monckton is the village idiot of climate science. His views carry no weight at all in the scientific community. Not surprising for somebody who advocated the internment of all people infected with HIV in camps.

I already took Carters nonsense apart. I have more to do with my time than view more of this drivel. You should too and make some effort to learn something about the science. You could start here:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/

and try to exercise some genuine skepticism.