Snow because of global warming!

[FeenixRizin]

Quote from dcraig:

Have you heard of light pollution or noise pollution? Neither noise nor light are necessarily bad, but in excess and in the wrong place they are not desirable. Same for CO2.

Human emitted CO2 is causing acidification of the oceans. This is pollution by any definition of the word.

And incidentally, CO2 is not harmless to humans in higher concentrations. I think it starts to set it at something like 5 -10 times current atmospheric levels (can't remember the exact level). Nobody is suggesting that we will reach these levels in the next 100 years, but should we burn all the fossil fuels - coal, oil gas, oil shale, sands etc, then levels could become directly harmful. Anyway, by that stage climate change would have become apocalyptic in extent.

The nasty thing about CO2 is that is only slowly scrubbed from the atmosphere by natural processes. The excess emitted by humans is there for decades and centuries. Just turning of the tap sometime in the future leaves a broken planet for a long time to come - and that is the best scenario.

for god's sake shut up ....

 

[FeenixRizin]

Quote from dcraig:

Have you heard of light pollution or noise pollution? Neither noise nor light are necessarily bad, but in excess and in the wrong place they are not desirable. Same for CO2.

Human emitted CO2 is causing acidification of the oceans. This is pollution by any definition of the word.

And incidentally, CO2 is not harmless to humans in higher concentrations. I think it starts to set it at something like 5 -10 times current atmospheric levels (can't remember the exact level). Nobody is suggesting that we will reach these levels in the next 100 years, but should we burn all the fossil fuels - coal, oil gas, oil shale, sands etc, then levels could become directly harmful. Anyway, by that stage climate change would have become apocalyptic in extent.

The nasty thing about CO2 is that is only slowly scrubbed from the atmosphere by natural processes. The excess emitted by humans is there for decades and centuries. Just turning of the tap sometime in the future leaves a broken planet for a long time to come - and that is the best scenario.

for god's sake shut up ....



here's an assignment for you ... research the optimal amount of CO2 for vegetation before diminishing margins of return are achieved....


HINT: at the rate at which man emits CO2 we should hit it in about 2000 years

 

[dcraig]

Quote from Arnie:

Volcanic eruptions actually have a cooling effect on climate. Source: NASA - about as expert as it gets.

http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/gsfc/service/gallery/fact_sheets/earthsci/volcano.htm

Indeed so. In fact James Hansen's climate model from 1988 successfully predicted short term cooling from the Mount Pinatubo Eruption in 1991. Climate models take into account the effect of volcanoes.

As I understand it, the cooling effect is due to fine particles injected into the atmosphere reflecting a little of the solar radiation back into space.

 

[FeenixRizin]

Quote from dcraig:

Indeed so. In fact James Hansen's climate model from 1988 successfully predicted short term cooling from the Mount Pinatubo Eruption in 1991. Climate models take into account the effect of volcanoes.

As I understand it, the cooling effect is due to fine particles injected into the atmosphere reflecting a little of the solar radiation back into space.

how on earth were you ever convinced that you are "smart"

 

[Index piker]

Quote from dcraig:

Indeed so. In fact James Hansen's climate model from 1988 successfully predicted short term cooling from the Mount Pinatubo Eruption in 1991. Climate models take into account the effect of volcanoes.

As I understand it, the cooling effect is due to fine particles injected into the atmosphere reflecting a little of the solar radiation back into space.

WOW

Not exactly rocket science prediction since Krakatoa

Average global temperatures fell by as much as 1.2 degrees Celsius in the year following the eruption. Weather patterns continued to be chaotic for years and temperatures did not return to normal until 1888.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakatoa

Please note the use of non peer reviewed journals and the application frickin common sense.

 

[TGregg]

We've still got piles of global warming from a couple weekends ago, plenty of global warming on the ground from Friday night, and now they are calling for even more global warming to fall tonight and tomorrow in Charlotte.

My second trip ever to Charlotte was near the end of February several years ago. It was sunny and over 70 degrees. I bet we don't have a day like that this month.

If this global warming gets any worse, we're gonna global warm ourselves right into the next ice age.

 

[dcraig]

Quote from Index piker:

WOW

Not exactly rocket science prediction since Krakatoa

Please note the use of non peer reviewed journals and the application frickin common sense.

You entirely miss the point, which is that Hansen came up with the prediction not by statistical inference (ie it's been that way before therefore it must be that way in the future), but by including the effect of particulates in his physical model. By so doing he added to the knowledge of physical nature of climate and what effects it and that his model had some predictive value. Most importantly the physical mechanism is identified. Contrary to all the crap from denialists, climate scientists are very interested, not just in CO2, but all aspects of the climate system.

One could come up with an explanation of the temporary cooling effect of volcanoes, by asserting that they frighten the sun god, but it wouldn't be a lot of use.

 

[Index piker]

Quote from dcraig:

You entirely miss the point, which is that Hansen came up with the prediction not by statistical inference (ie it's been that way before therefore it must be that way in the future), but by including the effect of particulates in his physical model. By so doing he added to the knowledge of physical nature of climate and what effects it and that his model had some predictive value. Most importantly the physical mechanism is identified. Contrary to all the crap from denialists, climate scientists are very interested, not just in CO2, but all aspects of the climate system.

One could come up with an explanation of the temporary cooling effect of volcanoes, by asserting that they frighten the sun god, but it wouldn't be a lot of use.

Hardly , I figured it out in high school physics.

It always helps to figure out what the answer should be , before you start an experiment.

Not exactly genius to make the model curve fit to known observations.

I mean really what good is a model that can represent recent events but be wildly off on known history..

Besides I take issue with your claim that he "predicted" anything. How long after the eruption did he program his info, or did he predict the eruption as well? (If he waited too long actual temperature changes could have influence his programming once again curve fitting to fit observations).

 

[FeenixRizin]

Quote from dcraig:

You entirely miss the point, which is that Hansen came up with the prediction not by statistical inference (ie it's been that way before therefore it must be that way in the future), but by including the effect of particulates in his physical model. By so doing he added to the knowledge of physical nature of climate and what effects it and that his model had some predictive value. Most importantly the physical mechanism is identified. Contrary to all the crap from denialists, climate scientists are very interested, not just in CO2, but all aspects of the climate system.

One could come up with an explanation of the temporary cooling effect of volcanoes, by asserting that they frighten the sun god, but it wouldn't be a lot of use.

good comedy .. bravo, encore

 

[tmarket]

I hope you guys are better at trading than your professed knowledge of science.

The facts is there are a lot more higher highs recorded global temperatures in the last hundred years than there are lower lows.

Ask yourself who profits from denying this knowledge.