Sniper Terrorism

[daniel_m]

Originally posted by vvv


ah, a possible gripe might be that we have ourselves to blame for the hatred being targeted at ourselves, hatred that is finding forms of expression that unfortunately aren't merely verbal, hmm.

cause and effect, so to speak.

blah blah blah. the US is NEVER gonna be able to please the ENTIRE world. some losers (who often just don't know any better) will ALWAYS have a gripe with something the US does.

seems to me the only group who is resorting to non-verbal means of expressing themselves are the islamic terrorists like al qaeda et al. obviously they aren't fuming over actions the US has taken in panama and nicaragua are they. flashpoint (for people like you) : these guys have it in for us no matter what! just let that thought sink in for a bit....

 

[MondoTrader]

I know this sniper ass is going to stir up anti-gun rhetoric, especially about the gun fingerprint. The problem with the gun fingerprint is that a guns "fingerprint" will change with wear and tear. All it takes is about 50 rounds to make a guns markings change, and that isn't getting reported in the media, and that is the real reason people are against it.

I am not a gun nut by any means, but owning a hunting/target rifle or a shotgun should always be protected, since I think that is the true intent of the constitution. I hear a lot about giving up civil rights, but then those same people want to take away our guns; doesn't make sense to me.

 

[Madison]

Originally posted by daniel_m

...flashpoint (for people like you) : these guys have it in for us no matter what! just let that thought sink in for a bit....

Are you saying that there is no motive for the terrorism?

 

[daniel_m]

madison, maybe if this was 50 years ago, and we had stayed out of the middle east, there wouldn't be as much flag-burning, fist waving towards america from the arabs...

but now, in today's reality, no matter what the US does, short of selling out our values or printing "In Allah We Trust" on our money (in arabic mind you), these guys have it in for us full stop.

it's very easy for liberal simpletons to point the finger at US foregin policy and say that's why the arabs hate us, but it goes a lot further than that...

as i've said, the arabs, because of their backwards values, will never measure up to the west economically. they will be further and further left behind (unless they change their ways. which is possible). this has to a large degree caused them to look to their past to gain a sense of identity and to make the world "ok" (in their eyes). that past is inextricably linked to islam. islam is at conflict with practially everything that makes the west what it is. (islam as preached by the quran and hadith - which, cos its so freakin backward and inhumane, doesn't always get practised that way). look at the rise of islamic fundamentalism over the past 20 years. that's where the terrorists get their cue from. pretty simple if you ask me.

 

[Ron In-a-sauna]

Originally posted by vvv



or dubya practicing tactics:

Since 1945 the United States has intervened in more than 20 countries throughout the world.

Since World War II, the United States actually dropped bombs on 23
countries. These include: China 1945-46, Korea 1950-53, China 1950-53,
Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo
1964,
Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodia 1969-70, Guatemala
1967-69, Grenada 1983, Lebanon 1984, Libya 1986, El Salvador 1980s,
Nicaragua 1980s, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-1999, Sudan 1998, Afghanistan
1998,
and Yugoslavia 1999.


Greece - 1947-49 - United States operations insured a
victory for the far right in national "elections."

Philippines - 1948-54 - The CIA directed a civil war
against the Filipino Huk revolt.

Puerto Rico - 1950 - Military helped crush an
independence rebellion in Ponce.

Korean War - 1951-53 - Military sent in during the
war.

Iran - 1953 - The CIA orchestrated the overthrow of
democratically elected Mossadegh and restored the Shah
to power.

Guatemala - 1954 - The CIA overthrew the
democratically elected Arbenz and placed Colonel Armas
in power.

Egypt - 1956 - Marines deployed to evacuate foreigners
after Nasser nationalized the Suez Canal.

Lebanon - 1958 - Navy supported an Army occupation of
Lebanon during its civil war.

Vietnam - 1950s-75 - Vietnam War.

Cuba - 1961 - The CIA-directed Bay of Pigs invasions
failed to overthrow the Castro government.

Laos - 1962 - Military occupied Laos during its civil
war against the Pathet Lao guerrillas.

Panama - 1964 - Troops sent in and Panamanians shot
while protesting the United States presence in the
Canal Zone.

Indonesia - 1965 - The CIA orchestrated a military
coup.

Dominican Rep- 1965-66 - Troops deployed during a
national election.

Guatemala - 1966-67 - Green Berets sent in.

Cambodia - 1969-75 - Military sent in after the
Vietnam War expanded into Cambodia.

Chile - 1970 - Salvador Allende, President of Chile, assassinated.

Oman - 1970 - Marines landed to direct a possible
invasion into Iran.

Laos - 1971-75 - Americans carpet-bomb the countryside
during Laos' civil war.

Chile - 1973 - The CIA orchestrated a coup, killing
President Allende who had been popularly elected. The
CIA helped to establish a military regime under
General Pinochet.

Cambodia - 1975 - Twenty-eight Americans killed in an
effort to retrieve the crew of the Mayaquez, which had
been seized.

El Salvador - 1981-92 - The CIA, troops, and advisers
aid in El Salvador's war against the FMLN.

Nicaragua - 1981-90 - The CIA and NSC directed the
Contra War against the Sandinistas.

Lebanon - 1982-84 - Marines occupied Beirut during
Lebanon's civil war; 241 were killed in the American
barracks and Reagan "redeployed" the troops to the
Mediterranean.

Honduras - 1983-89 - Troops sent in to build bases
near the Honduran border.

Grenada - 1983-84 - American invasion overthrew the
Maurice Bishop government.

Iran - 1984 - American fighters shot down two Iranian
planes over the Persian Gulf.

Libya - 1986 - American fighters hit targets in and
around the capital city of Tripoli.

Iran - 1987-88 - The United States intervened on the
side of Iraq during the Iran-Iraq War.

Libya - 1989 - Navy shot down two more Libyan jets.

Virgin Islands - 1989 - Troops landed during unrest
among Virgin Island peoples.

Philippines - 1989 - Air Force provided air cover for
government during coup.

Panama - 1989-90 - 27,000 Americans landed in
overthrow of President Noriega; over 2,000 Panama
civilians were killed.

Somalia - 1992-94 - Troops occupied Somalia during
civil war.

Bosnia - 1993-95 - Air Force jets bombed "no-fly zone"
during civil war in Yugoslavia.

Sudan - 1998 - American missiles destroyed a
pharmaceutical complex where alleged nerve gas
components were manufactured.

Iraq - 1998-2001 - Missiles launched into Baghdad and
other large Iraq cities for four days. American jets
enforced "no-fly zone" and continued to hit Iraqi
targets since December 1998.

and now, dubya pretending saddam has anything relevant to do with an effort at going after terrorism and it's causes:

brent scowcroft, national security advisor to presidents gerald ford & george bush senior:
Don't Attack Saddam
It would undermine our antiterror efforts
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002133

WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD! sucks dont it?

 

[Madison]

Originally posted by daniel_m
look at the rise of islamic fundamentalism over the past 20 years. that's where the terrorists get their cue from. pretty simple if you ask me.

true - I can't remember if it was on this forum or not, but someone made an interesting comparison between modern Islamic Fundamentalism and the Catholicism of the Dark Ages: resistance to change, fear of science/technology, supression of women, etc. - as well as the obvious societal effects (poverty, ignorance).

but if that's the case, it seems the US hasn't helped the problem through its method of meddling and its political/industrial abuses - if this is a modern version of the dark ages, then maybe we should look to the Renaissance for solutions? Surely the current strategy isn't working.

 

[max401]

Originally posted by MondoTrader
I think its vvv shooting the gun, TigerO on lookout, and RS7 driving the van !

Wait a minute, seeing how rs7 and vvv are the same person, that bastard's a hell of a shot.

 

[MondoTrader]

we are veering way off topic talking about islam again, unless you really think that the sniper is an islamic terrorist, which I find highly unlikely. I will believe it is a lone nut, or maybe a small "militia" type group until its proven otherwise.

 

[jbtrader23]

This doesn't seem like the work of Al Qaeda terrorists. It's possible, but everything they've done so far around the world suggests otherwise.


Domestic based terrorism is very real. Witness:

Oklahoma City bombing
Atlanta Olympic Bombing in '96
The Anthrax Letters in '01
Various killings related to Abortion Clinics by far right wing religious nuts.

Al Qaeda remains the number one threat to US security, but you can't get complacent about home grown nuts that strike at random.

 

[rs7]

Originally posted by max401


Wait a minute, seeing how rs7 and vvv are the same person, that bastard's a hell of a shot.

Max, what do you want from me? Enough is never enough, is it?
A: I am not VVV.
B: I think it is in bad taste to accuse anyone of these heinous crimes.
C: You don't like me, or my beliefs, fine. Why not stick to the real issues?
D: Are you really Mondo Trader? The guy that makes his strong arguments by calling some guy's wife a "fat hag" and his daughters "whores"? You are not embarrassed to be on the same side of this guy's arguments? Sad reflection on you whether you and he are the same guy or not.