Slums in Oakland selling at 50% premiums

well, partly fair, partly not: Charging more for fixing homes and for a revived neighborhood is ok. Charging out of the world prices for properties that have a much lower fair value is for the dumb or impatient. I think one of the worst misnomers is the statement that "it is worth what the market pays". Same in trading. Yes it is absolutely correct at the very point the transaction occurs. But not true at all a day or month or year after. In the long-term market prices revert to fair value. Equating fair value with transacted prices could not be more wrong.

Paying 755k for a shitty dog shack in Oakland, one of the worst places on earth to live, is highway robbery no matter how you turn it. Its far removed from fair value. And it is a clear indication of an overpriced market. Only dumb people pay inflated prices regardless of whether they think prices go up further or not.
You're assuming the buyer is the same as yourself. Think outside of the box. The buyer completed his due diligence and made the investment for whatever reason. I'm sure there are many reasons beyond what we see.
 
that point is kind of nonsense. Buffet has all the money in the world and does not pay inflated prices. He looks for bargain values. So should intelligent human beings. Only those who know they are sitting on a secret gold mine would ordinarily pay a huge premium over fair value. Or of course the greedy and dumb who usually go bust every cycle.
You're making the assumption the buyer is the same as you. lol
 
I am sure, ;-) Even dumb people who hopelessly overpay do so for a reason. They think it is a good reason, the majority thinks otherwise. That is basically the definition of "dumb".

As stated, unless one has insider information of why the fair value should be way above previous market values it makes zero sense to overpay.

You're assuming the buyer is the same as yourself. Think outside of the box. The buyer completed his due diligence and made the investment for whatever reason. I'm sure there are many reasons beyond what we see.
 
you keep on repeating yourself. And you are still incorrect. Buffet makes the same assumption. And with all due respect I would rather mimic Buffet than mimic you.

You're making the assumption the buyer is the same as you. lol
 
you keep on repeating yourself. And you are still incorrect. Buffet makes the same assumption. And with all due respect I would rather mimic Buffet than mimic you.
Don't manipulate the topic. We're not talking about buffet remember. Focus, it's real estate...
 
Do you know the buyer personally? You are assuming the buyer has the same amount of capital as yourself and plans on living in it. lol
obviously one single buyer does not necessarily constitute a top in the markets, except by coincidence.
 
Yep over immigration has something good coming out of it .. at least for time being poor will benefit. Over immigration as there is no way that US is growing at that pace other than importing about 4-5 million people every year in various forms, which is more than 1% of US population. Good for Democrats!!
 
Yep over immigration has something good coming out of it .. at least for time being poor will benefit. Over immigration as there is no way that US is growing at that pace other than importing about 4-5 million people every year in various forms, which is more than 1% of US population. Good for Democrats!!

How are the poor benefiting from 3500 a month avg rents in the bay area? How are they benefiting from having to commute 3 hours each way because they can't afford to live in a taco stand in a side alley in some shit forsaken neighborhood?

"Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here."
Jack Nicholson
 
it is about fair value vs market perception. And Buffet is a role model when it comes to being patient to wait for the right spread between the two.

Don't manipulate the topic. We're not talking about buffet remember. Focus, it's real estate...
 
Agree. But let's remember its a multi-faceted problem.

* It is not just some foreigners (mostly Chinese) who are bidding up prices in many global metros,

* it is also corporate mismanagement to locate workplaces inside city centers when there really is no need for that (there are of course exceptions where sales people need to visit clients on an almost daily basis, among others). Why would a developer/programmer have to commute into the city? For what reason? Why is a developer shop located inside the city? Makes zero sense.

* Then it is also higher income earners themselves who bid up property prices, it is basically the problem I outlined in earlier posts, which is that people lost a solid understanding of fair value and rather than being patient and waiting for prices to come down they jump on anything that moves as if the dollars burn holes into their pockets.

* It is also poor city planning, especially in the United States where public transportation has been completely neglected forever. How can it be that only 4 single train lines service the entire Bay Area (2010 census: over 7 million people)? Something has gone completely wrong.

How are the poor benefiting from 3500 a month avg rents in the bay area? How are they benefiting from having to commute 3 hours each way because they can't afford to live in a taco stand in a side alley in some shit forsaken neighborhood?

"Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here."
Jack Nicholson
 
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