Slower economic growth needs to be engineered?

Quote from Misthos:

So your entire argument is based on something (a technology or an understanding) that does not exist today and even you are not sure how it will evolve?

What's the ticker symbol? I'm in.
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LOL!....Oh boy!

Yeah, I guess.

And we wonder why we're falling behind as a country.

Actually, dark matter and dark energy are not forms of technology you nitwit. As well, they do exist and have so since the first milli second of the universe. But, no, I do not know how the solving of the puzzle will evolve nor do you. Which, of course, was my point all along.
 
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LOL!....Oh boy!

Yeah, I guess.

And we wonder why we're falling behind as a country.

Actually, dark matter and dark energy are not forms of technology you nitwit. As well, they do exist and have so since the first milli second of the universe. But, no, I do not know how the solving of the puzzle will evolve nor do you. Which, of course, was my point all along.
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Can I get my car to run on this "dark matter" you speak so highly of?

Would the guy at the local gas station understand if I told him to "fill 'er up with dark matter!"

Please help me understand.
 
Quote from Deadwood:

LOL!....Oh boy!

Yeah, I guess.

And we wonder why we're falling behind as a country.

Actually, dark matter and dark energy are not forms of technology you nitwit. As well, they do exist and have so since the first milli second of the universe. But, no, I do not know how the solving of the puzzle will evolve nor do you. Which, of course, was my point all along.
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What does dark matter have to do with the resources we have access to?
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

What does dark matter have to do with the resources we have access to?
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Good question.

The answer is that we don't know. Afterall dark energy makes up most all the energy in the universe. Could it be harnessed? What is it made of? How could it be used? Hell, if it can move entire galaxies it ought to be able to move a 3000lb car, right?:) What about dark matter? It's 74% of everything in the known universe. What is it? Whats is made of? What can be done with it?

We are just at the very begginging of even tackling these issue's, but the knowledge gained just in the last 10 years is staggering.

Will any of this come to pass in our lifetime? Probably not, but to think we are not going to learn much more about our "system" and that what we learn won't cause profound changes in just about every aspect of life is just a function of ignorance. Look it up. It's pretty cool stuff.
 
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Conservatives are fearful of the Obama progressive agenda. Their mission is to take from those who work hard and give free to those who don’t. Then on Election Day those who get will have to vote for the progressive agenda to keep on getting. And since those who get will vastly out number those who give progressives get reelected. This ploy has been used effectively for thousands of years. Chicago and New York politicians have filled the history books with multiple examples of how this system works.

Want an example? Democrats are counting on the new health care bill to win 30 million new votes to sweep them on to phase 2 of Obamacare. They were not trying to help people with healthcare! Their eventual agenda is absolute control of you and I down to when we brush our teeth. And soon they will be telling you and I how much tooth paste we can use to brush with.
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I can't put it any better than this. It is the truth.

Once the people realize they can vote themselves bread and circuses it is all over.

I'm going to vote, of course, but my gut tells me that its already a done deal. The left figured out a way to game the system and create a perpetual supply of loyal voters using handouts. So much for democracy. Next!

They are about to impose harsh regulations regarding the use of salt in prepared foods. Salt. Something tells me they are going to get around to looking at guns at some point, y'know, in the interest of public... health.
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

Ah, so you've solved faster-than-light travel, have you?
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Its called warp speed man.

hahaha.... but in all seriousness, we can't assume that all distances in space are linear.
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

Please explain. I'm genuinely interested.
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Population growth peaked quite some time ago now. For the planet as a whole, it peaked in the years 1965-1970, and has been dropping ever since.

Urbanization has been an enormous driver for lower birthrates, and the third world has been urbanizing at an astounding rate. If you want to digger deeper, this would be a decent start...

http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/009107.html
http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/007830.html

There are a couple of terrific TedTalks on this subject, but I can't seem to locate them at the moment.

Cheers.
 
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Until then, we're a bunch of monkeys on a rock, and thus, all those economic charts that go to infinity with growth are confined by a closed system - planet earth.
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Humans are analogous to a colony of microbes living on the skin of an apple. The amount of resources we consume is absolutely tiny in comparison to the size of usable earth.

What percentage of the earths surface has been explored for natural resources? What about the sea bed? How about ultra-deep drilling and mining technologies?

Why should predictions of resource exhaustion scare us, when most - if not all - fail to consider new discoveries? Aren't new, significant discoveries being made all the time? Here's one:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62940520100310

What about artificial scarcity? Over the past 20 years, oil companies have colluded to dismantle US refining capacity to create supply bottlenecks to jack prices:
http://wyden.senate.gov/issues/wyden_oil_report.pdf
http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2010/03/11/oil-companies-look-at-permanent-refinery-cutbacks/


How do we know big global miners and extractors haven't done the same? Under-reported or hid big discoveries to create the illusion of tight supply? Isn't it more profitable to sell one widget for 2 dollars, than 2 widgets for 2 dollars?
 
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