Slower economic growth needs to be engineered?

Quote from Ivanovich:

I watch Fox News. Go ahead, get your insults in. Last night during Hannity, a guest was on (whose name I do not remember). He was speaking about Cap and Trade, and went on and on about how it was yet another attempt by Liberals to control the lives of people by eventually getting down to the point of telling us how much energy we can use, and allocating each person a certain amount of power/resources, etc. He even went so far as to suggest that Liberals want to control the birth rate and such. As a conservative and someone who prefers government to stay the hell out of my life, I was, of course, appalled. But then I started thinking...

What if that is something that we have to do in order to ensure the survival of the human race? What if the government is trying to manufacture a slowdown, because it simply understands that there is no way the world can continue to grow at rates it has in the past? what if 1% GDP growth is the new norm, and not only that, but required to ensure the planet's sustainability going forward?

There is no way we can continue doing what we're doing now. I don't care how much you put faith in "Climate change" or "Peak Oil" or peak anything for that matter (Peak fish, water). The growth rate we have been experiencing since the industrial revolution is no longer sustainable. Natural resources will be depleted by mid century without recycling. Some even earlier than that.

A brake must be put - globally - on growth, both economical and population. What if this is all manufactured for our own good?
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Instead of buying into that Malthusian propaganda and the eugenics depopulation "solution", I suggest you ask, "what if I'm being lied to?" Qui Bono? Who benefits from a deindustrialized West, heavy new taxes, and a huge expansion of "Green" bureaucracy?

Better still, why are China and India passed over for oppressive Carbon Taxes, Regulation and Control, when stuffing it to America and Europe ensures remaining industry moves offshore, with a net INCREASE in global CO2 emissions?

Where's the energy problem when there's 100+ years of gas, coal and shale in the United States, alone? Do we really believe cold fusion, tidal, geothermal, solar, space-solar won't generate most of our power by then?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62940520100310

Why did leading global warming climatologist "hide the decline" in global temperatures, cherry pick data, conspire to hide cooling trends from the public, and erase primary source observations? Hasn't the earths climate always been in flux? With the Mid-evil warm period much hotter than it was today, and the little iceage spanning glaciers all the way down to South Carolina? Doesn't cloud cover affect temperature? Doesn't the sun burn in cyclic and mega-cyclic intensity (sunspots), which also affects the relative temperature on earth?

How can peak water be real, when the water cycle continually replenishes natural aquifers, ponds, lakes and underground waterways?

How can there be a population "timebomb" if the UN's own estimates say global population will top out at 8 Billion, then subside?

Finally, why do people repeatedly trust the agenda of Mainstream Media and Politicians who never discuss or mention any of these points? Why do we continually put our trust in media and politicians after they lie, cheat and steal from us, time and time again? Are we a bunch of suckers and chumps? Is this a case of Stockholm syndrome? Or is this a vast experiment in bullying and intimidation? The sheep believe what they're told out of fear they'll be ridiculed by the "authorities" and their fellow sheep? So they accept the brainwashing and never question what they're told out of fear of reappraisal?
 
Conservatives are fearful of the Obama progressive agenda. Their mission is to take from those who work hard and give free to those who don’t. Then on Election Day those who get will have to vote for the progressive agenda to keep on getting. And since those who get will vastly out number those who give progressives get reelected. This ploy has been used effectively for thousands of years. Chicago and New York politicians have filled the history books with multiple examples of how this system works.

Want an example? Democrats are counting on the new health care bill to win 30 million new votes to sweep them on to phase 2 of Obamacare. They were not trying to help people with healthcare! Their eventual agenda is absolute control of you and I down to when we brush our teeth. And soon they will be telling you and I how much tooth paste we can use to brush with.


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When conservatives become fearful, be bullish! :eek: :D :cool:
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Quote from nutmeg:

Overpopulation, imo, is not an issue, nor is overcrowding. A city such as New York is much more "green", more efficient is all aspects than a suburb.

Examples of poverty as a cause from overcrowding is basically due to mis-management of resources.
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And how would you factor clean water into that statement that overpopulation is not an issue?
 
Quote from achilles28:

Instead of buying into that Malthusian propaganda and the eugenics depopulation agenda (which is it's natural conclusion), I would suggest you ask, "what if I'm being lied to?" Qui Bono? Who benefits from a deindustrialized West, heavy new taxes, and a huge expansion of "Green" bureaucracy?

Better still, why is China and India passed over for oppressive Carbon Taxes, Regulation and Control, when stuffing it to America and Europe ensures remaining industry moves offshore, with a net INCREASE in global CO2 emissions?

Where's the energy problem when there's 100+ years of gas, coal and shale in the United States, alone? Do we really believe cold fusion, tidal, geothermal, solar, space-solar won't generate most of our power by then?
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62940520100310

Why did lead global warming climatologist "hide the decline" in global temperatures, cherry pick data, conspire to hide cooling trends from the public, and erase primary source observations? Hasn't the earths climate always been in flux? With the Mid-evil warm period much hotter than it was today, and the little iceage spanning glaciers all the way down to South Carolina? Doesn't cloud cover affect temperature? Doesn't the sun burn in cyclic and mega-cyclic intensity (sunspots), which also affects the relative temperature on earth?

How can peak water be real, when the water cycle continually replenishes natural aquifers, ponds, lakes and underground waterways?

How can there be a population "timebomb" if the UN's own estimates say global population will top out at 8 Billion, then subside?

Finally, why do people repeatedly trust the agenda of Mainstream Media and Politicians who never discuss or mention any of these points? Why do we continually put our trust in media and politicians when they lie, cheat and steal from us, time and time again? Are we a bunch of suckers and chumps? Is this a case of Stockholm syndrome? Or is this a vast social experiment in bullying and intimidation? The sheep believe what they're told out of fear they'll be ridiculed by the "authorities" and their fellow sheep? So they accept the brainwashing and never question what they're told out of fear of reappraisal?
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So you don't think there's a problem with exponential rate of growth in human population with regards to the amount of natural resources on the planet? And please don't give me a UN report that says anything at all, and expect me to believe it.
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

And how would you factor clean water into that statement that overpopulation is not an issue?
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Ha! Clean water. I'd like to know how will ever get the pharmaceuticals out of the water. I'd like to know where all the Prozac goes.
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

So you don't think there's a problem with exponential rate of growth in human population with regards to the amount of natural resources on the planet? And please don't give me a UN report that says anything at all, and expect me to believe it.
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Poverty encourages child bearing as an old age safety-net for parents. When one (or both) parents no longer work, the children are expected to support them into old age.

When incomes rise, birth rates decline. The alleviation of poverty frees the need for children to look after parents into old age, and couples have less children. This is already happening in China.

The answer to the global population cycle is raise third world incomes. This is already happening via deindustrialization of the West. It's not zero-sum, tho. Third world could introduce free markets, eradication of systemic corruption, low taxes and sound money = wealth creation. Confessions of an Economic Hitman saw to it the West killed that seed before it grew. But I digress. Global population will top out at ~8 Billion because all our jobs got exported to third world economies, raised their standard of living = less children.
 
Quote from Ivanovich:

So you don't think there's a problem with exponential rate of growth in human population with regards to the amount of natural resources on the planet? And please don't give me a UN report that says anything at all, and expect me to believe it.
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I think you'd be surprised just how much natural resources this planet has.

Humans are just a loose collection of gnats on the skin of an apple. There's a hell of a lot of area we haven't explored. And new deep drilling technology has opened up another earth of uncharted terrain. Then, there's the moon. Mining and transport from that is easily conceivable with existing technology.

Why don't you give us some examples of natural resources you think are near exhaustion?
 
Lomao, however, it will not be that funny when most Americans, Who have yet to secure wealth, are thrown into poverty by the progressive ideology.
 
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