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the whole nine yards is actually an explainable observable natural evolutionary process in accordance with the physical world.

I'm afraid we'll have to disagree again as regards the physical world, depending on how you define "physical". But we needn't go into it.
 
There are quotes around them because at the time I didn't understand what you meant by them. But given your elaboration in your second paragraph, I agree. The only extremely minor quibble I would make is that the evolutionary process of social organization is natural only for those who seek that. Those who don't can seek some other route. Whether it's moral or not would depend on how one defines "moral", but, again, this would have to do with the particular societal construct. Without that, one could claim that human sacrifice, for example, is "immoral" in the absolute, and defending that posture would be prickly.

"The only extremely minor quibble I would make is that the evolutionary process of social organization is natural only for those who seek that. Those who don't can seek some other route."

Some may choose to follow an "asocial" path, but they won't make that choice until after they've been fully reared and socialized.
 
"The only extremely minor quibble I would make is that the evolutionary process of social organization is natural only for those who seek that. Those who don't can seek some other route."

Some may choose to follow an "asocial" path, but they won't make that choice until after they've been fully reared and socialized.

By "some other route" I didn't mean that they were sociopathic, just that until fairly recently -- say the last hundred years -- there were a great many people in this country, primarily in the West, who were entirely self-sufficient. Except for trading, they had no need for a community, even if they had time for it.
 
By "some other route" I didn't mean that they were sociopathic, just that until fairly recently -- say the last hundred years -- there were a great many people in this country, primarily in the West, who were entirely self-sufficient. Except for trading, they had no need for a community, even if they had time for it.

I knew that, which is why I said "asocial" instead of "anti-". : )

Anyway, another small quibble: no one is or has ever been self-sufficient. For humans, self-reliance (to a degree determined by the gifts the individual has received) is possible.
 
By "some other route" I didn't mean that they were sociopathic, just that until fairly recently -- say the last hundred years -- there were a great many people in this country, primarily in the West, who were entirely self-sufficient. Except for trading, they had no need for a community, even if they had time for it.
Should it have been individual reliance without any need for community that was overwhelmingly beneficial to survival, then people wouldn't be living in communities. Everyone would be on their own. Most aren't.

Thing is both work to a degree, but to enhance survival, social /communal constructs overall work far better and why the capacity and inclination for it evolved .
 
Should it have been individual reliance without any need for community that was overwhelmingly beneficial to survival, then people wouldn't be living in communities. Everyone would be on their own. Most aren't.

Thing is both work to a degree, but to enhance survival, social /communal constructs overall work far better and why the capacity and inclination for it evolved .

I didn't say it was "overwhelmingly beneficial to survival". Rather there was no other choice. If your nearest neighbor is miles away, or if you're not homesteading at all, a community just isn't part of your reality.

Some people have reasons for living in communities, such as serfs and lords, and some have reasons for avoiding them. Both systems work depending on the individual's needs and wants and talents and skills.
 
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