Well at least now we have something in common.
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Well at least now we have something in common.
Lol. Really? Donât worry too much, that clearly wasnât trying to keep you engaged
But now you're being ridiculous. You started the conversation!!
Then you ran just as soon as admitting for you it was about god.
For someone not interested in anything I say, youâre sure acting like youâre interested and even bothered about something I said.
I asked you to consider a reasonable question but as I say, if for you it is all about god, then I expect the best you can wish for is the conversation goes nowhere.
As far as our conversation does go in that regard, youâve almost succeeded. Jem and the like do that by acting like morons, you by cut and run. Mention god (cut) then say youâre not interested (run).
Now to help that happen, all you need to is stop responding.
Lol. Really? Donât worry too much, that clearly wasnât trying to keep you engaged
But now you're being ridiculous. You started the conversation!!
Then you ran just as soon as admitting for you it was about god.
For someone not interested in anything I say, youâre sure acting like youâre interested and even bothered about something I said.
I asked you to consider a reasonable question but as I say, if for you it is all about god, then I expect the best you can wish for is the conversation goes nowhere.
As far as our conversation does go in that regard, youâve almost succeeded. Jem and the like do that by acting like morons, you by cut and run. Mention god (cut) then say youâre not interested (run).
Now to help that happen, all you need to is stop responding.
It's funny, but now it's becoming more entertaining. Perhaps that's it - you're only interesting when you're trolling? I know that I find flame wars a good deal more interesting when the day is boring, as it is today.
Oh, I'll fully admit to being at fault for thinking any conversation with you could ever amount to anything other than a flame war - as evidence of this thread with you and everyone else seems to have provided. But when you said ""Nature's God" is not the word "God" like "their Creator" is not the word "Creator" or the word "God"", that struck me as particularly bizarre (more so than most of your arguments, that is).
You clarified quite well, but in doing so provided assurances that you are quite confident in what the founders intended to say/mean. In fact, you're quite confident that you have the inside scoop on a whole bunch of things that are quite impossible to prove. I stated that my view points were just guesses, as there's no way for me to know with certainty what they intended.
This ended with you telling me the discussion was not about God, while I said it was for me. So all of your silly little "you made it about God" could equally be applied to you "not making it about God". Alrighty.
That's the point I was trying to make. Whenever I am foolish enough to allow myself to get into a religion debate, I inevitably run into two kinds of people. The first are rabid zealots who tell me I'm going to hell if I don't precisely believe in the manner in which they do. The second are the atheists, who try to manipulate the conversation into what they wish to discuss, and obfuscate, etc. to win the argument. At the end of the day, no one can prove God, and no one can disprove God. That's really all it boils down to for me, and why I don't usually get into conversations with folks like you, or Jem on the topic.
Go ahead, have the last word. You're going to anyway.
what a moronic misrepresentation of the point.
you STU are the moron who stated God was not written in the Declaration of Independence and that Natural Law is inconsistent with a Creator...
Yet you provided zero support for such a concept from dictionaries or scholars or really anyone.
Even the Ricter could not find a commie to support such and ignorant position.
to remind everyone how ignorant your statement is....
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--T
you STU are the moron who stated God was not written in the Declaration of Independence and that Natural Law is inconsistent with a Creator...
Yet you provided zero support for such a concept from dictionaries or scholars or really anyone.
Even the Ricter could not find a commie to support such and ignorant position.
to remind everyone how ignorant your statement is....
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--T
... you dodged it quite definitively.
... I put forward the suggestion that understanding the background, context and philosophy of the time gives better insight to what the founders intended to say/mean.
What a pity you admit to finding flame wars a good deal more interesting.
The point I was trying to make is about the overriding prevalent philosophy and why you cannot have "God" as the source of inalienable rights.
Jefferson's god is not other people's "God". Your God is not his God over here, or her god over there or someone else's "Creator". The protestant God is not the Catholic "God" or the Islamic "God". Founders certainly reflected that in everything from the Declaration to the Constitution..
Even when there is no God or when God is unreasonable, wrong or evil, natural law would still have moral force. God is not an essential or necessary ingredient to establish inalienable rights. There is nothing to rationally support the assertion it is.
Gods come in vastly different shapes, values and degrees of contradiction. They are not grounds or sound source for anything inalienable - which is essentially defined by the Enlightenment at the time and now , through reason and universality .
All I have mentioned is they firstly didn't write the word "God" anywhere. Which is true. The words "nature's god" is the nearest it gets and those words were added in. Which you can see for yourself is also true.
The words "their creator" not "Creator" were also added in quite clearly as an after thought or maybe even a correction of some kind, not necessarily by Jefferson, which is also true.
What's funny is how you think I'm trolling just because I make that point against religious zealots like Jem, who can only ever troll out the same post time after time like a crazed parrot with nothing in support but his own arrogant confidence in what the founders meant when they didn't even write it.
"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_transcript.html