Six Iranians arrested for dancing to promote islam

[stu]

1. More moronic stuff from this new even more ignorant stu.
Yeah a person who spends time here pushing for no income tax and a much smaller federal govt and constitutional rights of americans is a fascist. Good try.


2. You mean instinctively the way you write comedy instead of argument. Yeah they really avoided God when the chose to start off the DofI like this:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

Not being able to follow the thread of an argument is one reason why you're such an idiot.
So you're not a facist like I am not a marxist. Congratulations you got the point without realizing.

They didn't write "God". They hand wrote nature's god.
Not semantics , but the age of Enlightenment.

You should get yourself some.

 

[jem]

so by calling me something I am not that means you are not marxist?
did you learn that in that in the troll course on goebbels logic?

Then they wrote Creator with a big C. Read the document you might learn something.

All proof that use Natural Law is consistent with Creator... contrary to your troll lies.

Not being able to follow the thread of an argument is one reason why you're such an idiot.
So you're not a facist like I am not a marxist. Congratulations you got the point without realizing.

They didn't write "God". They hand wrote nature's god.
Not semantics , but the age of Enlightenment.

You should get yourself some.

 

[stu]

so by calling me something I am not that means you are not marxist?

Come on. Are you really this slow..... it's a case of what's good for the goose.
By calling me something I am not doesn't mean you are not a fascist either.

Then they wrote Creator with a big C. Read the document you might learn something.

No they really didn't write 'Creator with a big C'. Jefferson's hand written draft shows you how they did no such thing.

As an after thought or at best second thought, the words "their creator" are added. Somewhere between that and getting through Congress it morphs into "their Creator".

That's the thing with the religiously deluded. You make crap up all the time. Lower case "nature's god" becomes the single word "God". Lower case "their creator" is truncated to big C "Creator".

All proof that use Natural Law is consistent with Creator... contrary to your troll lies.

You being illogical and irrational is no proof at all.

Natural law is consistent to natural law being natural. Determined by nature.
God is supernatural, you know imaginary friend supernatural, determined by make believe and superstition.

Natural law is the higher appeal for when a government, a King or a God messes up.

 

[Trader666]

Come on. Are you really this slow..... it's a case of what's good for the goose.
By calling me something I am not doesn't mean you are not a fascist either.

No they really didn't write 'Creator with a big C'. Jefferson's hand written draft shows you how they did no such thing.

As an after thought or at best second thought, the words "their creator" are added. Somewhere between that and getting through Congress it morphs into "their Creator".

That's the thing with the religiously deluded. You make crap up all the time. Lower case "nature's god" becomes the single word "God". Lower case "their creator" is truncated to big C "Creator".

You being illogical and irrational is no proof at all.

Natural law is consistent to natural law being natural. Determined by nature.
God is supernatural, you know imaginary friend supernatural, determined by make believe and superstition.

Natural law is the higher appeal for when a government, a King or a God messes up.

Wow, what a STUpid troll you are. In essence you're trying to claim that although the founders used the words "God" and "Creator" they didn't mean either.

 

[jem]

Stu is once again arguing with the Founders... I will add bold to the words which show how boldly ignorant stu is.


The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen United States of America,

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

 

[stu]

In essence you're trying to claim that although the founders used the words "God" and "Creator" they didn't mean either.

I will add bold to the words ....
of Nature and of Nature's God

Neither founders or finished Declaration use the word "God" by itself.

Looks like you two are not incapable of having a domestic via me without even knowing it.




What you goofs are still obviously ignorant of unlike most reasonable folk, is that governments Kings and Gods change. Natural law is the higher appeal over all of them .

 

[Tsing Tao]

Just to be clear, I don't say "Creator" is not referred to as a supernatural being. I say the founders in their wisdom did not refer to "Creator" or originally write in their own hand no less, (which does give some indication of their thinking) the word "Creator". They amend later to include only the words "their creator", which is decidedly not the same type of thing at all.

Creator is the same as creator as God is the same as god? really?. I think you'll have a big problem justifying that one. Lower case god is one of any number of imaginary deities or a supreme being conceptually consisting of anything at all. But in any case, take it up with Jem. He was the one saying capitalization is important to meaning. My point being the founders did not themselves cap up any of those words in their original drafts.

Jefferson's and Adam's drafts are extremely informative in that such learned men do not initially reference any kind of deity but by later amendment include only 'their creator' and 'nature's god' significantly avoiding the more religious use of the single word "God". It vividly displays how they instinctively placed belief far down the pecking order and indeed, left any mention absent altogether when it later came to the all important legal matters of 'We the people'.

I completely agree with you that the founders were trying to walk a line. I suggest the founders were consummate pragmatic politicians and saw their work succeed past Congress with alterations to written documents that do nothing to change , diminish or enhance the Declaration's fundamental meaning or purpose, working every bit as well without the words "Creator" or "creator" or "God or "god" as per those original drafts.

I don't care to steer you to anything, though please don't incorrectly read into things stuff not said.

Well, I suppose that's your right - to suggest and make guesses as you see fit. As an atheist, it isn't shocking to which direction your interpretations will slant. But they are interpretations nonetheless. Neither you nor I nor anyone in this thread can say for certain either way.

This is why getting into a discussion on God with an atheist is silly - neither side can prove anything.

 

[Ricter]

This is why getting into a discussion on God with an atheist is silly - neither side can prove anything.

That's why grandpa always said, "never argue religion or politics (or Ford vs. Chevy) at the dinner table."

 

[Tsing Tao]

That's why grandpa always said, "never argue religion or politics (or Ford vs. Chevy) at the dinner table."

Grandpa was trying to keep the peace.

You can argue either topic wherever you want, but personally I do my best to stay out of the religious topics because it's so difficult to disprove most assertions. At least in politics, there are some facts. With religion, I usually find myself battling either atheists or rabid zealots.

 

[Ricter]

Grandpa was trying to keep the peace.

You can argue either topic wherever you want, but personally I do my best to stay out of the religious topics because it's so difficult to disprove most assertions. At least in politics, there are some facts. With religion, I usually find myself battling either atheists or rabid zealots.

Hehe, yep.