SIP latency: How Rigged Are Stock Markets?Evidence from Microsecond Timestamps

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I agree, longer is stronger for me, but it takes all kinds to make a market……………………………………………………………………………………………….. Long story short.
 
who tf are the big 5????

who tf do you think? where are on planet earth?

Goldman Sachs is one.

in any case it does not matter the names...….5 big guys account for 80% of all volume.

these names may change but the numbers do not
 
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I agree, longer is stronger for me, but it takes all kinds to make a market……………………………………………………………………………………………….. Long story short.[/QUOTE]
With regards to "rigging" I think the provocatively titled post is referring to latency on the "public" feeds vs proprietary . That's ok murry, you can consume liquidity provided by my algo while I sleep:D
 
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I agree, longer is stronger for me, but it takes all kinds to make a market……………………………………………………………………………………………….. Long story short.
With regards to "rigging" I think the provocatively titled post is referring to latency on the "public" feeds vs proprietary . That's ok murry, you can consume liquidity provided by my algo while I sleep:D[/QUOTE]
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LOL,OK; be careful you don't Violate the IBD inVestors/trading/market maker rule== don't snooze, you may lose............................................................ Seldom sleep during 8;30-3;00 CST
 
With regards to "rigging" I think the provocatively titled post is referring to latency on the "public" feeds vs proprietary . That's ok murry, you can consume liquidity provided by my algo while I sleep:D
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LOL,OK; be careful you don't Violate the IBD inVestors/trading/market maker rule== don't snooze, you may lose............................................................ Seldom sleep during 8;30-3;00 CST[/QUOTE]
My goal is to have my automation to such a degree that there is nothing for me to even do with regards to trying to control anything as a human while markets are open. like a fish trap, i guess, go check the thing each evening and recalibrate. Maybe I'll hire someone to be awake during those time s;)
 
Only an issue, if your a competing HFT trader, which news flash nobody who posts on here is, only billionaires may apply here.
 
Only an issue, if your a competing HFT trader
I don't agree. Everyone is affected.
If a broker is routing using just SIP data they are not routing my flow,” Mehmet Kinak, a 19-year T. Rowe Price veteran
What he is saying is that routing using SIP is not good enough for his orders. Ask your broker if it's good enough for their clients. It's a huge cost for them to route using proprietary feeds, so they send your order either to PFOF or to a never never land based on delayed SIP data.
 
DATA, EQUITIES, TRADING VENUES January 22, 2020 12:40 PM GMT
Cboe looks to further reduce SIP latency with reform plans


Cboe Global Markets wants to implement the data feeds in multiple locations in a bid to reduce SIP latency, as debate on equities market data continues in the US.

By Hayley McDowell
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Exchange operator Cboe Global Markets is looking to further reduce latency of key data for US equities market participants, by implementing Securities Information Processor (SIPs) across multiple locations.

The SIPs are produced by incumbent exchange groups and provide real-time equities data, including ‘top of book’ quotes for stocks consisting of each exchange’s best bid price.

Cboe acknowledged in a recent publication on proposed reforms to market structure that technological advances had dramatically reduced SIP latency from several hundred microseconds to tens of microseconds to process quotes and trades.

SIP latency today, however, is caused mainly by geographical latency due to the inbound distance from a market’s location to the SIP processor location, with additional latency incurred from the distance outbound data trade and quote data travels to reach market participants.

“SIP architecture today requires a single consolidation point for quotes and trades, adding geographic latency between exchange origination and subscriber receipt that in many instances exceeds latency of the processor by more than an order of magnitude,” said Cboe.

“Cboe strongly supports the implementation of distributed SIPs, designed to introduce multiple instances of SIP consolidation in strategic data centre locations, which will contribute to a major reduction in geographic latency. All SIP subscribers would be offered a choice of locations from which to receive the SIP market information and to achieve the fastest data delivery.”

SIP data has been the subject of debate in recent years, as it provides key information on the national best bid and offer (NBBO) for National Market System (NMS) stocks.

Banks, broker-dealers and trading firms have said that while SIP data is useful and necessary, market participants are compelled to purchase proprietary and direct data feeds from exchanges, which are considered grossly overpriced considering how little they allegedly cost to produce and how important they are in terms of regulatory compliance.

“If a broker is routing using just SIP data they are not routing my flow,” Mehmet Kinak, a 19-year T. Rowe Price veteran who heads up global systematic trading and market structure for the asset manager, has said on the subject. “They are not eligible to get my flow, it’s not negotiable. Trading is a zero-sum game and if I’m slower than the other person I lose – that’s it. And this is a best execution obligation, we are obligated to try and price best execution with every order that we have.”

Cboe’s market structure reforms publication was published shortly after the US Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) proposed to modernise the governance of NMS plans, which produce the public consolidated tape and disseminate trade and data from the trading venues.

Under the current regime, incumbent exchanges, such as Cboe, Nasdaq and the New York Stock Exchange, have total control and voting power over how the consolidated tape is produced and disseminated. Although under the SEC’s proposal, broker-dealers and investment firms would gain voting rights, subsequently limiting the control of incumbent exchange operators.
Can retail brokerages like Schwab provide this service for a small mom and pop retails like me?
 
how rigged are the stock markets?

the big 5 do not rig markets. you can arrest somebody for doing something...….you cannot arrest them for not doing something.

but since the big 5 account for 80% or more of all trading, simply by not doing something, they can send the market in any direction they desire.

by not buying they can send the market down.

by not selling they can send the market up.

no the markets are not rigged. how can you say someone is doing something...... when they are not doing anything

Oh this is actually very smart.
 
Can retail brokerages like Schwab provide this service for a small mom and pop retails like me?
That's one of those "if you have to ask, you can't afford it" kind of questions. The problem with using Schwab even if you had an ultra fast feed is the time they take to check if your account has the margin available to do the trade and give the approval.
 
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