Single Payer is they will give us in end

[wildchild]

The dems gave their idea. It failed.

The repubs will give their idea. It will fail.

Both fail because they are not based on market principles in the least, however, the market will be blamed for Obamacare's failure and Trumpcare's failure.

The suggestion will then become, "Well we need single payer". Your elected leaders will love it. They have been hoping to do this for years.

It grants a great deal of power to Washington, over all you little people. Thats the name of the game, and its on the way.

 

[java]

How bout single payer for old people and poor people. The rest of us have something to live for and we prefer our own healthcare thank you.

 

[wildchild]

How bout single payer for old people and poor people. The rest of us have something to live for and we prefer our own healthcare thank you.

I am not claiming single payer is the best. I am claiming single payer is what they will enforce on us.

 

[AAAintheBeltway]

I think the democrats' game all along was to produce something, ie obamacare, that crashed and burned and took down insurance companies with it. Then they could point to single payer as only remaining option.

Trump's win derailed that, at least for a while. The Ryan plan appears doomed, ie same fate as all Ryan's other schemes. How this loser can strut around as the Big Thinker of the republicans escapes me. What exactly has he ever accomplished?

I think Trump's game is to let ryan have his day in the sun and when he fails, as he always does, step in and rescue things. Trump will get a few of his buddies together at mar-a- lago for a few days and work out something that strikes people as reasonable.

I don't think Trump will be willing to let this slide too long, as obamacare is killing his biggest supporters and hurting job growth.

 

[CaptainObvious]

Anything that doesn't address cost of care directly will accomplish nothing of substance to benefit the average person. It's similar to fixing social security. So long as congress can keep embezzling the fund, the fund will stay broke. These bastards don't want to fix anything. It's just a shell game. Now everyone knows how they steal the money, so move the shells around again. Congress is, always was, and always will be the problem.

 

[piezoe]

How bout single payer for old people and poor people. The rest of us have something to live for and we prefer our own healthcare thank you.

The reason this won't work, we could do it but it wouldn't work, is the same reason medicare does not work nearly as well it could. All the young and healthy , speaking in generalities of course, are covered by private insurers, and what insurer doesn't want to cover a non-risk?! It is a gold mine for them. All the old and sick are dumped on medicare. That is why your medicare premiums are much higher than they otherwise would need to be. Don't forget you young healthy guys pay into both medicare and private insurance. You have to add them together to see what you're really paying for medical coverage. It's obscene!!! And the reason your private insurance premium is so high is because the object is to make as much money as possible. Medical care pricing is almost completely inelastic. Capitalism doesn't work for the consumer when prices are inelastic.

 

[piezoe]

The dems gave their idea. It failed.

The repubs will give their idea. It will fail.

Both fail because they are not based on market principles in the least, however, the market will be blamed for Obamacare's failure and Trumpcare's failure.

The suggestion will then become, "Well we need single payer". Your elected leaders will love it. They have been hoping to do this for years.

It grants a great deal of power to Washington, over all you little people. Thats the name of the game, and its on the way.

Of course we will end up with single payer, or alternatively a Swiss, or German, like system where there is very tight federal regulation of the insurers. But we will have to go through several failed iterations first. To much vested interest to overcome with nothing but logic on your side. Captain Obvious is right! All iterations will fail until cost is addressed in a serious way. (And you know what that means!!! Someone is going to make less money!!! -- so the healthcare problem can be distilled down to the business of deciding who will make less and how the cuts will be distributed. But of course no one will ever address the problem in such straight forward language!)

 

[fhl]

Single payer is absolutely inevitable because health insurance can never be cheap as long as gov't mandates that everything has to be covered up to and including sex change operations. On top of that is the notion that everyone deserves the best, like an mri from a 3 million dollar machine if their leg hurts, because they're an american or something. Or they'll sue.

And the cucks on the republican side have a yellow streak so wide down there back that there isn't a chance in hades that they'd ever try to change these things. So it's about 75% plus of the pols that are going to drive us right into a canadian style hell.

 

[piezoe]

single payer as only remaining option.

It would never be the only remaining option. there are any number of unsatisfactory options. And there are some satisfactory options too that don't amount to single payer. See the Swiss system for example. (We are not Switzerland, in case you hadn't noticed. They have the Turks, we have the 47%)

I pointed out elsewhere that logically we would just look at all the other developed countries and copy the system that seems to work best and is compatible with U.S. demographics. But I also pointed out that we won't do that because vested interests will prevent it. But eventually we will get something that is better than what we have but not as good as it could be, and not as bad is it could be for the vested interests. We will keep tinkering until the public is happy enough that they become complacent, and the vested interests will then lobby their perks back into the system until it is suitably wrecked again, and we start over. I'll be dead. You guys will have to deal with it.

 

[piezoe]

Most younger people don't realize that single payer does not necessarily obviate the need for insurance. Most medicare recipients, for example, carry supplemental insurance to partially cover both drugs and cover their 20% co-pay. (You are ripped off bigly, under medicare Part D, G. W. Bush's generous gift to the insurance industry and the Drug companies.. A drug that is 26 bucks total in Canada has a $50 co-pay under U.S. Medicare supplemental part D coverage!) Twenty percent of your quarter of a million hospital stay is $50K. Don't you love it? Aren't you glad you live in the land of the free, home of the brave, and the bankrupt?