Similarity between the Crusades and today's religious wars

There is no similarity. If there was any similarity at all, every Muslim on the planet would be dead. The only thing that prevented that from happening ages ago was the technology. If they had the technology back then they would have used it. We have it, and don't use it. There's the difference! Radical Islam should that their lucky stars we are considerably more civilized than they are. Keep pushing though, and we will have no choice but to get medival on their ass.
 
Quote from nitro:

I am not much of a student of history (sadly.) I am curious if the real historians on this site believe that there are some parallels, if any, between the Crusades of the middle ages, and modern day "religious" wars between muslims and the rest of the world?


No. The Crusades enjoyed wide popular support. Today's militant Muslims may wish they enjoyed such support but they don't.

Also, the Crusades were a response to centuries of Islamic militarism. (Wholly justified, imo.) Militant Islam isn't really a response to much of anything, it's just "pure Islam", in the sense that Islam has historically seen its role to spread itself over the world by any means available. Religious Muslims today see better alternatives to the sword - such as swamping non-Muslim countries demographically, as is happening in Europe - but militant Muslims seem to hanker for some old style conquering.

Muslims around the world expressed outrage over Pope Benedict XVI's comments on Islam and many demanded an apology. Turkey's ruling Islamic party accusing the pope of trying to revive the spirit of the Crusades..."

Oh how I wish that he was!

(Perhaps he is. I pray that it is so.)
 
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No. The Crusades enjoyed wide popular support. ]


I don't know how you can support that statement. During the time's of the "Crusades" the vast majority of the population was illiterate and did not voice an opinion that history can relate. In December of 1999 I tried my best to read all I could on how 999 "celebrated" the turn of the millennium...actually very little information and most of the public had no clue that 1000 yrs had past since the birth of JC. The "crusades" happened in the dark years for over 100 years...hopefully this new "crusade" will last much less than 100 years.
 
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No. The Crusades enjoyed wide popular support.


I don't know how you can support that statement.

That is the impression I have from reading the history. I can't help but see how anyone informed could possibly disagree, to be honest.

During the time's of the "Crusades" the vast majority of the population was illiterate and did not voice an opinion that history can relate.

Why on earth would it matter if the people were illiterate? They didn't have to write down their opinions themselves for history to be able note them.

Perhaps this is some quasi-Marxist crap I haven't yet heard about history not being able to faithfully represent the voices of the masses because the masses were illiterate. That's what it sounds like.

And why is Crusades in quotes? That's what the people undertaking them understood them to be. It's a bit rich for you, 1000 years later, to place trendy quotes around them, dontcha think?

actually very little information and most of the public had no clue that 1000 yrs had past since the birth of JC.

But the public was illiterate, so how can you know whether they had a clue or not?
 
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Today's militant Muslims may wish they enjoyed such support but they don't.

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The Bush clan and the neo con filth are the biggest supporters of Mudslime Terrorists!! Without terrorists, there is no terror. Without terror there would be no god damned neo con filth.

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Quote from drmarkan:

If you really want to study a parallel to Islam today, you need to read about Japan circa the World War II era. The mindset of the Japanese from that time really parallels the muslim mindset of today.

Learn about the perversion of Bushido by the imperialist government of Japan to it's people, and you will be surprised at how closely it resembles present day Islam.

I have been saying this forever now about the parallels between the two. Its very scary when you think about it what the implications are. People keep telling me I'm nuts, and maybe I am but in any case I'm happy to see there is another "nut" who agrees with me. Personally I see the relationship between the two as so obvious I do not know how others can't. And then, having seen that and knowing what we had to do in order to win the war with Japan, we likewise know how we must fight this war with Islam.
 
Essentially, Islam cannot co-exist with Jews and Christians. Islamists claim they are the "true descendants of Abraham" [sort of reminds me of the Communist claims: "True representatives of the people"]. God will have to sort it out eventually.
 
Quote from CaptainObvious:

There is no similarity. If there was any similarity at all, every Muslim on the planet would be dead. The only thing that prevented that from happening ages ago was the technology. If they had the technology back then they would have used it. We have it, and don't use it. There's the difference! Radical Islam should that their lucky stars we are considerably more civilized than they are. Keep pushing though, and we will have no choice but to get medival on their ass.

I'm curious how 'we' are more civillized than 'them'? Is civillization measured by the amount of 18 yr olds who carry a $2000 VISA balance? Or the amount of money we spend on arms each year, and the amount of countries in which that we have military bases in?
Is it our unprecidented destruction of the environment that sets us ahead?

Is destroying the necessities of life in 2nd and 3rd world countries using WMD considered civillized?

civillized how?
 
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I'm curious how 'we' are more civillized than 'them'? Is civillization measured by the amount of 18 yr olds who carry a $2000 VISA balance? Or the amount of money we spend on arms each year, and the amount of countries in which that we have military bases in?
Is it our unprecidented destruction of the environment that sets us ahead?

Is destroying the necessities of life in 2nd and 3rd world countries using WMD considered civillized?

civillized how?

Civilized because a good portion of the US congress is trying to legalize torture, hidden prisons, renditions, and other assorted goodies. That brings up right in par with the civilized barbarians like saddamn, idi amin, chimp boy, dickie cheney and others.
 
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