Signs of Ford Collapse

VicBee · Feb 7, 2023

SunTrader said:
No difference at all nowadays. Union auto plants have to compete against non-union ones. In this country and all around the world.

1960's called and sez you need an attitude adjustment to reality of 2020's

I see, you don't come from that world, do you? I worked on the management side in a heavily unionized industry between 2009 and 2019 (not the 60s). I know what I'm talking about...

VicBee · Feb 7, 2023

M.W. said:
Congrats you finally figured out what is going on at Tesla. Exploitation of workers, greedy hooked nose taking whatever he can get away with.

Do you foam at the mouth when you reference Jews?

VicBee · Feb 7, 2023

M.W. said:
What Tesla is doing is not innovate. They exploit workers and customers. Their car quality is absolute shit and of the absolute lowest quality standard. And they are completely overpriced given the tech that is built into it at the given quality level. Sadly, many young folks with too many tears to shed and emotions and feelings to share fall for this brand. Uncle Elon is laughing his ass off all the way to the bank.

Time for your lithium pill, don't you think?

M.W. · Feb 7, 2023

Just the greedy ones

VicBee said:
Do you foam at the mouth when you reference Jews?

Cuddles · Feb 7, 2023

SunTrader said:
LOL alright. Agggggain union (or otherwise) workers shouldn't care about their paycheck just like corporations should care profit, huh?

SunTrader said:
No difference at all nowadays. Union auto plants have to compete against non-union ones. In this country and all around the world.

1960's called and sez you need an attitude adjustment to reality of 2020's

VicBee said:
Huge difference! In their quest for profits corporation are forced to compete and innovate or die (unlike communist manufacturers). Unions on the other hand seek to maximize labor pay packages and are only interested in change if it benefits them. Nothing changes unless the union approves it, and it always comes at a price.

Weird how unionized German and Chinese EVs are the ones innovating the most...odd how unionized Japanese automakers have been giving American comps trouble for decades for being at the vanguard.

Peter8519 said:
Why would Ford scale back on sedan car production? Cannot compete.

Tall/fat Americans don't want Sedans and like their pickups and cuvs/suvs.

newwurldmn · Feb 7, 2023

German workers are better than American workers. They have apprenticeships and training.

Japanese workers are better due to their work ethic and culture regarding workmanship.

Cuddles said:
Weird how unionized German and Chinese EVs are the ones innovating the most...odd how unionized Japanese automakers have been giving American comps trouble for decades for being at the vanguard.

Tall/fat Americans don't want Sedans and like their pickups and cuvs/suvs.

VicBee · Feb 7, 2023

M.W. said:
Just the greedy ones

But aren't they all?

VicBee · Feb 7, 2023

Cuddles said:
Weird how unionized German and Chinese EVs are the ones innovating the most...odd how unionized Japanese automakers have been giving American comps trouble for decades for being at the vanguard.

Tall/fat Americans don't want Sedans and like their pickups and cuvs/suvs.

Unionized Chinese? Communist China can teach America thing or two about capitalism...
German labor unions in the automotive sector are arguably the world's most powerful. But the integration of politicians, white collar management and union labor in Germany is uncommon; only Japan or Korea are as integrated as far as I know. Corporatism is a modern model of fascism without authoritarianism.

I'd be ready to bet that of its 3 similar factories (China, Germany, Austin, TX) the Chinese will always be more productive, the German will always suffer the most work stoppages, and Austin will always be the least productive.

SunTrader · Feb 7, 2023

VicBee said:
I see, you don't come from that world, do you? I worked on the management side in a heavily unionized industry between 2009 and 2019 (not the 60s). I know what I'm talking about...

No union for me. Have many friends retired or close to it ... who worked hard for what they got.

Corporations only pay workers what workers can get out of them. CEO's and the rest of the C Suite act as if they own the company. Its a rigged game giving them 90 something % of the earnings when things are humming and 0% of the losses when they ain't.

Cuddles · Feb 7, 2023

newwurldmn said:
German workers are better than American workers. They have apprenticeships and training.

Japanese workers are better due to their work ethic and culture regarding workmanship.

so then unions are not the problem

VicBee said:
Unionized Chinese? Communist China can teach America thing or two about capitalism...
German labor unions in the automotive sector are arguably the world's most powerful. But the integration of politicians, white collar management and union labor in Germany is uncommon; only Japan or Korea are as integrated as far as I know. Corporatism is a modern model of fascism without authoritarianism.

I'd be ready to bet that of its 3 similar factories (China, Germany, Austin, TX) the Chinese will always be more productive, the German will always suffer the most work stoppages, and Austin will always be the least productive.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-China_Federation_of_Trade_Unions