there never was one. it was just the scam of the day. same old same old. separate the gullible from their money.
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Significant Reduction in Petroleum / Gasoline Prices, HOW?
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Quote from limitdown:
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4) directly intervene to cause an oil market price collapse down to the desired target levels of $15 barrel
You can't be serious!?! And how could they possibly do that? There's less than a 100 day supply in the SPR.
The government is the cause of the problem, not the solution.
Quote from limitdown:
Poll results....
17 voted to do nothing...
perhaps the other choices were more correct, perhaps not.
the frustrating thing is the perception that nothing can be done....
much more can be done than you're giving yourself credit for....
much more....
You forgot to include "Remove government regulations" as a choice.
That's the only solution.
Quote from futures_shark:
You can't be serious!?! And how could they possibly do that? There's less than a 100 day supply in the SPR.
The government is the cause of the problem, not the solution.
Clinton Administration was handed this choice on a silver platter when he took office and chose to build the strongest country in human history, at least as far as we're told, there probably were others, in a galaxy, far, far away.... (you know the movie)
evidently the same methods and processes exist now, and appear at the turn of the US Administrations in Washington.
at any rate, recent developments:
a) Libya with all its sweet crude, has been welcomed back into the fold of desirable nations. in addition to that, tourism will increase as well as international flights to and from their airports
b) Oil Sands in Alberta Canada were in the news recently as holding more refinable oil than can be used globally in the next 100+ years. It was particularly reassuring to hear those news stories as it really didn't take oil over $33 per barrel to reap those rewards. It was ballied about at oil over $44 per barrel, and now those prices look like a dream.
c) rumblings over restitution to those who engineered this artificial run up in prices, namely this Oil Administration and the upcoming fall elections as an opportunity for the American public to respond to all those artificial stories of global demand and SUV's being the cause...
hey, someone's going to pay for all this beyond just the consumers now....
The 100mph carb is an urban legend.
http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/fish3.htm
http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp
http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/fish3.htm
http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/carburetor.asp
Quote from limitdown:
time for the government to directly compete with the Oil marketplace and cause a collapse in these prices and speculation.
They (the nefarious oil market) blames the speculation on:
1) war premium
2) speculation on other disruptions, whether real or imagined
3) speculation on future disruptions in supply, delivery, weather related disruptions, etc.
other solutions might be::
1) create, recreate, re-release the known 100mpg carburetor
2) manufacture (profitably, yet at cost +5%) gasoline engine conversion kits
3) mass produce, distribute and utilize long duration super lithium vehicular batteries, thus removing fleets of municipal vehicles from the gasoline equation
4) directly intervene to cause an oil market price collapse down to the desired target levels of $15 barrel
Quote from limitdown:
Question: Who / How can lower petroleum and petroleum based product (gasoline, diesel fuel, heating oil, petroleum based plastic products, etc.) prices?
Solution: restore competition
During days long past, bear markets were undestood as very useful times during which society returned to a state of economic sanity.
In our days, bear markets have become times of preparation for increased levels of economic insanity. Politics is to a major extent responsible for driving proud nations into ruin (Reference: "The Road to Sefdom" by Hayek).
So your formula "Restore Competition" combined with "Throw them (political) rascals out" is the only thing that could possibly save us from Serfdom. Unfortunately, very little chance such healing process would come to pass.
Limitdown wrote:
Clinton Administration was handed this choice on a silver platter when he took office and chose to build the strongest country in human history, at least as far as we're told, there probably were others, in a galaxy, far, far away.... (you know the movie)
evidently the same methods and processes exist now, and appear at the turn of the US Administrations in Washington.
at any rate, recent developments:
a) Libya with all its sweet crude, has been welcomed back into the fold of desirable nations. in addition to that, tourism will increase as well as international flights to and from their airports
b) Oil Sands in Alberta Canada were in the news recently as holding more refinable oil than can be used globally in the next 100+ years. It was particularly reassuring to hear those news stories as it really didn't take oil over $33 per barrel to reap those rewards. It was ballied about at oil over $44 per barrel, and now those prices look like a dream.
c) rumblings over restitution to those who engineered this artificial run up in prices, namely this Oil Administration and the upcoming fall elections as an opportunity for the American public to respond to all those artificial stories of global demand and SUV's being the cause...
hey, someone's going to pay for all this beyond just the consumers now....
.....................................................................................................
Limitdown...you are very observant and correct in your viewpoints....
If there ever was a puppet presidency....the BUSH administration is it hands down...
All one needs to do is to review in detail the biography of Cheney and his dealings in Indonesia...Iraq...and Mexico in the oil industry ...and also his time commitment in Washington in terms of learning how to best approach government contract projects prior to Halliburton´s becoming a larger company and prior to his being the US VP...
Iraq...the decision to invade Iraq was 5% about Hussein and WMD and 95% about the orchestration of securing oil production controls and increasing the price of oil....
There is no possibility that Cheney was not aware of the upward pressure in oil prices with regards to US policies and Iraq...
By creating unrest in the middle east...oil prices were to soar because of the well known bottleneck issues....
Cheney and staff are very intelligent people and have spent their lives in the oil business....and it is ever so vivid that the Cheney squad has played the American public and misused the trust and taxing authority that his office is supposedly protecting...
...................................................................................................
With regards to Bush...and after making observations of Bush senior and James Baker...and their continued activities regarding oil producing countries....let there be no mistake about their purposes and efforts being 100% correlated with big oil...
Let there be no mistake that the OIL ADMINISTRATION has made overt painstaking efforts to stay on the legal side of approaching
oil company related objectives....but it is more than clear that they have used the highest offices to further the gains of the oil industry...
The US public has been played big time....this is not cool....
These folks are anything but public servants.....
...............................................................................................
These folks are reminiscent of what most Latin governments are all about....and they feel as if they have won the lotto when elected...In the US case...the OIL COMPANIES won the lotto...
..................................................................................................
Getting the truth from Bush Cheney will be about as difficult as getting a monthly brokerage statement from a stock trading guru...They do not know what the truth is....
And the list goes on...Rumsfeld...his investment in a bird flu vaccine company which will be awarded government contracts...Yeah...and how many bird flu deaths vs other death diseases.....????? More people die in traffic accidents in NJ every week...
These guys are nothing but con men in disguise....
They are taunting the hell out of the US citizenry and daring anyone to defy their intelligent schemes....They think they are so much smarter than the US public....
And they are right to some degree...now just how is it that the US public can get these crooks out of public office...????
Or is it the case that the system is so corrupt that the system itself has to be changed ???
Bush Cheney know this too well...and just may walk out free as a bird ...laughing at the US public ...all the way home....
.............................................................................................
Clinton Administration was handed this choice on a silver platter when he took office and chose to build the strongest country in human history, at least as far as we're told, there probably were others, in a galaxy, far, far away.... (you know the movie)
evidently the same methods and processes exist now, and appear at the turn of the US Administrations in Washington.
at any rate, recent developments:
a) Libya with all its sweet crude, has been welcomed back into the fold of desirable nations. in addition to that, tourism will increase as well as international flights to and from their airports
b) Oil Sands in Alberta Canada were in the news recently as holding more refinable oil than can be used globally in the next 100+ years. It was particularly reassuring to hear those news stories as it really didn't take oil over $33 per barrel to reap those rewards. It was ballied about at oil over $44 per barrel, and now those prices look like a dream.
c) rumblings over restitution to those who engineered this artificial run up in prices, namely this Oil Administration and the upcoming fall elections as an opportunity for the American public to respond to all those artificial stories of global demand and SUV's being the cause...
hey, someone's going to pay for all this beyond just the consumers now....
.....................................................................................................
Limitdown...you are very observant and correct in your viewpoints....
If there ever was a puppet presidency....the BUSH administration is it hands down...
All one needs to do is to review in detail the biography of Cheney and his dealings in Indonesia...Iraq...and Mexico in the oil industry ...and also his time commitment in Washington in terms of learning how to best approach government contract projects prior to Halliburton´s becoming a larger company and prior to his being the US VP...
Iraq...the decision to invade Iraq was 5% about Hussein and WMD and 95% about the orchestration of securing oil production controls and increasing the price of oil....
There is no possibility that Cheney was not aware of the upward pressure in oil prices with regards to US policies and Iraq...
By creating unrest in the middle east...oil prices were to soar because of the well known bottleneck issues....
Cheney and staff are very intelligent people and have spent their lives in the oil business....and it is ever so vivid that the Cheney squad has played the American public and misused the trust and taxing authority that his office is supposedly protecting...
...................................................................................................
With regards to Bush...and after making observations of Bush senior and James Baker...and their continued activities regarding oil producing countries....let there be no mistake about their purposes and efforts being 100% correlated with big oil...
Let there be no mistake that the OIL ADMINISTRATION has made overt painstaking efforts to stay on the legal side of approaching
oil company related objectives....but it is more than clear that they have used the highest offices to further the gains of the oil industry...
The US public has been played big time....this is not cool....
These folks are anything but public servants.....
...............................................................................................
These folks are reminiscent of what most Latin governments are all about....and they feel as if they have won the lotto when elected...In the US case...the OIL COMPANIES won the lotto...
..................................................................................................
Getting the truth from Bush Cheney will be about as difficult as getting a monthly brokerage statement from a stock trading guru...They do not know what the truth is....
And the list goes on...Rumsfeld...his investment in a bird flu vaccine company which will be awarded government contracts...Yeah...and how many bird flu deaths vs other death diseases.....????? More people die in traffic accidents in NJ every week...
These guys are nothing but con men in disguise....
They are taunting the hell out of the US citizenry and daring anyone to defy their intelligent schemes....They think they are so much smarter than the US public....
And they are right to some degree...now just how is it that the US public can get these crooks out of public office...????
Or is it the case that the system is so corrupt that the system itself has to be changed ???
Bush Cheney know this too well...and just may walk out free as a bird ...laughing at the US public ...all the way home....
.............................................................................................
Quote from limitdown:
b) Oil Sands in Alberta Canada were in the news recently as holding more refinable oil than can be used globally in the next 100+ years. It was particularly reassuring to hear those news stories as it really didn't take oil over $33 per barrel to reap those rewards. It was ballied about at oil over $44 per barrel, and now those prices look like a dream.
The US has more oil than Canada in the form of oil shale. We have more oil than anyone else in the world, Canada is 2nd. Either way I hope they come out with alternatives instead.
Quote from 9999:
I strongly believe that public transportation can really help our society towards that goal. However, it also needs to be drastically improved. Unfortunately, that wouldn't sit too well with the oil administration and car manufacturers.
i will only work in large cities. we have a nice new bus system paid for by uncle sam. the buses mostly run empty.
another example is the new monorail sysetm in las vegas. it is a joke. we decided to park the car and ride that around. i walked farther getting to and from the momorail than i would have walked just walking directly on the street. it was mostly empty also.