Should you close your IB accounts now?

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It seems to me that there should be a difference between getting your futures liquidated on stock quotes that are "lousy and irrational", and getting your futures liquidated on stock quotes that the exchanges later say were "illegit and therefor busted".

On the former, the trader is out of luck, on the latter, I don't really think the trader should be out of luck.
 
anyone liquidated at a busted price would get their shares back

futures were not busted, thus, no refund

less margin is your friend
 
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Let's say you are 100% long a portfolio of blue chip stocks worth $1 mill, with no margin. A market crash happens like yesterday, so you sell an equivalent amount of ES futures to completely hedge your exposure. Then, due to stop-loss selling on electronic markets, the bids for all your stocks go to 0.01 and trade on a 1 lot. Your account equity is now about $1, and you are short $1 mill worth of ES futures - IB's system works out you don't have the margin requirements to cover your ES hedge, so it auto-liquidates you. It sells all your stocks at market, which could easily be 0.01 per share, and exits your ES hedge at the same time.

If the exchanges don't bust your liquidation sales, then IB has just wiped you out, despite you being fully hedged and having very little risk.

It appears to me that until IB removes its auto-liquidation system, or adjusts it to avoid ALL such dangerous, risk-increasing auto-liquidations at crazy quotes in fast markets, that it cannot be used safely by any trader for anything other than pure cash-only long stock transactions. Using even $1 of margin risks you getting blown out. Using even $1 of hedge risks you getting blown out. IB is dangerous in its present state.

That is scary I don't trade through them just because there are much better futures only deals. Thanks for heads up.
 
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That is scary I don't trade through them just because there are much better futures only deals. Thanks for heads up.

Please note that if things ever really got bad, I suspect that IB would be the very last broker to go down. I trust Ib's risk management systems more than any bank's or the federal reserve for that matter.

Not sure what heads up you guys are talking about.
 
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Please note that if things ever really got bad, I suspect that IB would be the very last broker to go down. I trust Ib's risk management systems more than any bank's or the federal reserve for that matter.

Not sure what heads up you guys are talking about.

Another one of these, I cant help but to laugh. Why dont you tell that to the S&P who rates IB BBB+(two notches above junk)? The same guys who routinely over rated everything from CDOs to Gov debt think IB is almost junk
 
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Another one of these, I cant help but to laugh. Why dont you tell that to the S&P who rates IB BBB+(two notches above junk)? The same guys who routinely over rated everything from CDOs to Gov debt think IB is almost junk

If all else fails, IB will probably be the last to fall. Which broker do you use? or suggest...?
 
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If all else fails, IB will probably be the last to fall. Which broker do you use? or suggest...?

Keep the money in a way that the SPIC guarantees it(up to $100k in cash and $500K in securities IIRC). But the issue here is not IB failing and costing you money, is IB failing you and costing you a ton
 
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Keep the money in a way that the SPIC guarantees it(up to $100k in cash and $500K in securities IIRC). But the issue here is not IB failing and costing you money, is IB failing you and costing you a ton

If I have a million dollar account to trade futures and currencies, which broker do you suggest I use?
 
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If I have a million dollar account to trade futures and currencies, which broker do you suggest I use?

It would be safer to have two brokers in this case
 
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Please note that if things ever really got bad, I suspect that IB would be the very last broker to go down. I trust Ib's risk management systems more than any bank's or the federal reserve for that matter.

Not sure what heads up you guys are talking about.

You are missing the point go back to the first post. Their risk mngt is so tight on days like last Thursday you very may well have gotten hosed when you should not have.

I don't put much faith in any US based ratings agencies, but that's a whole other thing.
 
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