Quote from lundy:
you are fucking crazy man. Or are you a woman?
by your logic, if I don't shed any tears over killing everyone, it's ok. I'm not wrong because it's basically ok with everyone who I think it should be ok with, ME.
Quote from marketsurfer:
in the absense of proof, one way or the other, it would be insane to assume that a fetus is not a child. being that this assumption will result in murder but the other way it's life. what is so hard about understanding this ?? i am still waiting for a valid argument against my point.
Quote from daniel_m:
of course there's millions of you that do feel bad about this fetus's death, but that's balanced out by millions of others -- who, by their very actions -- are screaming loud and clear that they don't really care.
I would balance this out with Lundy's quote:
"It is called taking responsibility for your own actions."
The real "dilemma" as I see the abortion issue and most social issues is that not enough people are willing to take responsibility for the actions of OTHERS. If you want to live on streets that are free of garbage you will have to pick it up yourself. Too many people saying "I didn't put it there", or cleaning up a 1/4 mile section of highway every six months and thinking they are getting the job done.
Until it is a perfect world my friends, it is not enough to just play your part.
Quote from OPTIONAL777:
What I have yet to see in mass, and why I believe the "right to lifers" are disingenuous, is that they have not generated large pools of money to take care of bastard children born out of wedlock, when a man refuses to take responsibility for participating in the process of impregnating a woman he was not willing to marry and support financially.
They are anti abortion, and at the same time very often anti welfare and other public and government means to care for poor children who are not at fault for having been born into circumstances like a 14 year old mother on crack.
When I see that the right to lifers embrace the children born due to repeal of abortion laws with the same degree of love and financial support they show their own children, I might have a bit more respect for their point of view.
I also cannot support the extremist "right to lifers" who bomb abortion clinics and kill doctors who perform abortion. This is just evil, to kill in the name of their cause. Barbaric.
Now that Lundy has replied, may I jump in? Thank you...Quote from dgabriel:
1)You pre-suppose abortion is murder. That is at debate here. It is unclear that Daniel_M feels it is. He referred to killing in general.
2)Putting the baby up for adoption is a choice indeed. But that washes the father's hands of responsibility of raising the child. Is it unreasonable to ask a father who opposes abortion to take this responsibility? The point of the hypothetical is to examine it from within.
3)Unintended pregnancies result even in cases where reliable contraception is properly used and the woman and her partner are well aware of the potential for conception. That is one assumption in the hypothetical where Lundy is the daddy.
Now before others jump in, give Lundy an opportunity to reply.
My two nieces were abandoned by their mothers instead of being aborted. One was left at an orphanage, the other at a major intersection of town where the chances of being found were the highest.Quote from trdrmac:
In America alone there are 100,000 adoptable children right now. The average age of one of these LIVES is 8. And most if not all have suffered physical, emotional, and sexual abuse. The likes of which most of us would never be able to recover from.
But the reality is that children become a little less adoptable when they have a few cigarette scars on their backs. And I would take the pro-life movement a little more seriously if the number of adoptable children was zero.
Quote from hapaboy:
If you're going to make a miserable childhood the basis for advocating abortion, then virtually the entire continent of Africa and much of South America and Asia should be exterminated. [/B]