Should school kids be issued guns in America?
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Parents of alleged Michigan school shooter arrested after manhunt
By Carolyn Sung, Shimon Prokupecz, Aya Elamroussi , CNN
Updated 5:19 AM ET, Sat December 4, 2021
(CNN) A tip led police to the parents of Ethan Crumbley, the suspect in the Oxford High School shooting, who were arrested in Detroit on manslaughter charges, officials said Saturday.
James and Jennifer Crumbley were found on the first floor of an industrial building near where authorities had located their car shortly before they were apprehended, Detroit Police spokesperson Rudy Harper told CNN.
"They appeared to be hiding in the building," Detroit Police Chief James White said during a news conference early Saturday morning. They were "very distressed" after they were detained, the chief said.
The Crumbleys were charged Friday with four counts of involuntary manslaughter over the shooting their 15-year-old son, Ethan, is accused of carrying out on Tuesday, when four students were killed and seven others wounded at Oxford High School.
Law enforcement considered the couple fugitives after they missed their arraignment that was scheduled for Friday afternoon.
CNN has reached out to the couple's attorney, Shannon Smith, who had earlier stated that the Crumbleys had left town for their own safety and intended to turn themselves in voluntarily.
But White pointed out that there was no sign the Crumbleys wanted to be found. He added the couple was assisted in getting inside the building, a matter which may trigger charges.
"This isn't indicative of turning themselves in, hiding in a warehouse," the police chief said.....
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html
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wrbtrader
By Carolyn Sung, Shimon Prokupecz, Aya Elamroussi , CNN
Updated 5:19 AM ET, Sat December 4, 2021
(CNN) A tip led police to the parents of Ethan Crumbley, the suspect in the Oxford High School shooting, who were arrested in Detroit on manslaughter charges, officials said Saturday.
James and Jennifer Crumbley were found on the first floor of an industrial building near where authorities had located their car shortly before they were apprehended, Detroit Police spokesperson Rudy Harper told CNN.
"They appeared to be hiding in the building," Detroit Police Chief James White said during a news conference early Saturday morning. They were "very distressed" after they were detained, the chief said.
The Crumbleys were charged Friday with four counts of involuntary manslaughter over the shooting their 15-year-old son, Ethan, is accused of carrying out on Tuesday, when four students were killed and seven others wounded at Oxford High School.
Law enforcement considered the couple fugitives after they missed their arraignment that was scheduled for Friday afternoon.
CNN has reached out to the couple's attorney, Shannon Smith, who had earlier stated that the Crumbleys had left town for their own safety and intended to turn themselves in voluntarily.
But White pointed out that there was no sign the Crumbleys wanted to be found. He added the couple was assisted in getting inside the building, a matter which may trigger charges.
"This isn't indicative of turning themselves in, hiding in a warehouse," the police chief said.....
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html
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wrbtrader
Only temporary in different wings. After conviction, mom will obviously go to a women prison and father / son will go to a different prison...most likely two different prisons for men. Yet, if the kid is found to be "insane"...he'll be sent to a mental institution considering he was asking for help (writing it on those images at school) and the school nor the parents acted upon except to talk to each other...
They should have removed him from the situation.
I wouldn't be surprised if the parents had a personal relationship with someone in charge at Oxford school for the parents to be able to leave their son there at the school when they were asked to take him home without expelling/suspending him.
You know like - Mom's best friend is on the school administration or Dad's hunting buddy is on the school administration.
Everybody did a bonehead move in this story...including the Prosecutor that decided to hold a press conference to announce the manslaughter charges against the parents BEFORE having them arrested.
Typically, someone is arrested first, they lawyer up and then charges are announced at a press conference by the prosecutor in high profile cases like this.
wrbtrader
Looks like they were not fugitives.
They just had a sudden urge to check out some commercial warehousing property in the middle of the night. Their attorney still says they fully intended to turn themselves in first thing in the morning.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html
So Tree,Looks like they were not fugitives.
They just had a sudden urge to check out some commercial warehousing property in the middle of the night. Their attorney still says they fully intended to turn themselves in first thing in the morning.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/04/us/michigan-oxford-high-school-shooting-saturday/index.html
Four counts of IM, do we know what these are? Each of the four?
Do you think the prosecution has a chance to win this? I mean yes, in the court of public opinion, these people are fried already, but what about in an actual court of law? Let me play devil's advocate for a second.
Being a sh*tty parent is not a crime. Why didn't the school search his back-back and locker? They have the right to do that. And they certainly had cause. Why did they let him go back to class? Why were the parents even given the option to leave without taking their kid with them? Sounds to me like the school has some serious culpability here, perhaps more so than the parents.
And there's more. So what, they bought him a gun. So the mom took him target practicing with his new gun, bfd, there's nothing wrong with that. So she made a smart remark about "just don't get caught lol" when he was looking at ammo. Ok, she used an old adage and lol'd it. I'm sure she had no idea he was gonna do what he did.
These people were obviously out of touch with their son's mental condition.... but that is not a crime. Think of the thousands and thousands of teens that commit suicide every year. You don't think their parents were out of touch with their kids mental state?! Of course they were. Teens hide so many emotions and feelings, and in our culture today, it is worse than it ever was.
Hey I am in no way defending these people. I have zero tolerance for loser parents. But if they are each looking at 20 years in prison, I just don't think that fits our legal system. If we were in China, or Saudi, yeah, take them out and line up the firing squad. But we're not China or Saudi, or any other place.
The kid was f'd up. The parents were out of touch. Extremely so. But that's not a crime. I feel for the victims, and if I was one of those kids parents that lost a child, I'd be screaming for blood too. But that's not the way it works in this country.
Thoughts?
It will take a long time figure out what some of the "facts" are. But at this point, I don't even know what the allegations are. A couple weeks will change that. Yeh. we know they are alleged to have been criminally negligent but I don't know exactly what the parents are alleging for facts in their favor or not. I don't know how much the kid is talking. Is he giving a recitation of his interactions with his parents in the preceding days. In other words, for example, is the kid going to tell the investigators "My parents were concerned about my saying things about killing people and how I wanted those thoughts to stop," but in that same timeframe dad is buying him a gun or that can be proven roundabout even without their testimony via friends, facebook posts to buddies, etc? Don't know. But if so, the parents are in trouble. In then the whole range of less glaring scenarios, where the kid, maybe was in counseling, or troubled in general and a someone thought it was a great idea to introduce a gun into the home environment or another gun. And whether the father had knowledge that the kid was going out on his own with the gun, or how hard the kid had to work to get the gun to take with him. Don't know yet. At least I don't. Whatever they say is bullshiite anyway but, as I said, I don't even know what the bullshiite rap is let alone the facts. These things do move around quite a bit over a period of weeks. You know, for example, with the RUST movie fiasco, we saw and heard Baldwin convincing us that he was going to commit hari kari because he shot that woman. Now, weeks, later he is saying "I never pulled the trigger, never. Yeh, okay. whatever
Right now, the father and mother are playing on the same team. Same attorney etc. That will change in the next few weeks. One of them will decide he/she is really in a different level of knowledge about what the kid was saying and/or knew that there was a gun in the house "but the father was in charge of all that, I didn't know nuthing about it." Type thing. Next thing you know, they have separate attorneys. Then proscution starts with divide and conquer and offering better deal to one to share more background info on the other, and so it goes. If the parents already have relationship problems between them it will accelerate it.
The school counselors have more info on the kid too than has come out. Not only from their interactions but from kids who complained to the school about his scary stuff.
As I said, let it go another week, so we can at least see what the bullshiite stories are. Then see what passes the straight face test or not just as a preliminary step.
The other not-so-minor point is that from little has been released- it looked like the mother had knowledge right immediately that day, that the kid was preparing to go on a rampage and she is telling him not to do it. Did she take any emergency steps there? Because in her defense argument she may want to argue that all of the background stuff over a period of months or years in regard to the kid do not support negligent homicide charges but her actions on that day alone may very well. I don't know. I did not parse out some of the timelines and comments in her tweets or other media messages.
But in general, they are in some serious trouble. As they should be.
The kid won't want to talk and he will have an attorney appointed. So that will suppress things for a while maybe. Then the attorney will decide "they" want to do an insanity plea because not only did the kid have problems, he was nutso. The kids own recorded comments "I want those thoughts to stop" gives the some support there. for trying their luck on that. I have no problem seeing him properly defended.
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There are several facts that indicate the parents were aware of the kids mental condition, had recently bought a firearm and even joked on social media the gun was a gift for him. When the active shooter announcement went out the Dad went home to look for his gun because he knew it could be his son. there are more but the parents created a clear paper trail of fucktardedness that allowed this kid with mental issues to get access to a gun and not get any medical attention.
We could look at numerous cases but all that matters is the facts of the case in this one.
the amount of stupidity and batshit negligence of the parents SHALL NOT be looked over anymore. When the death and trauma of numerous kids could have been prevented by actions any normal parent would take, then the law needs to make an example of them so we avoid another Sandy Hook.
It is a crime to be out of touch through such negligence that your negligence played a role in the murder of children. That thankfully is how it works in the justice system and those parents are fucked... thankfully.