Should MSNBC change their name to "F*** Romney Channel" till election season is over?

Quote from denner:

Riddle mode again.
Admittedly I'm taking a free hand at substituting nouns and verbs, like "produce" (which could be "product", but doesn't capture the service aspect so well), and probably should have simply used "input" and "output", for efficiency's sake (lol).
 
Quote from Ricter:

Fair enough, I probably would not have used the term "hacks" if you had worded it so.

But how do we know government is, overall, too inefficient, or too big? Can it measured? Comparative means are necessary, because if we don't compare ourselves to how others are doing, we can only imagine greater efficiency. That's great, the pursuit replaces yesterday's best practices with today's best practices, but until the imagination actually delivers, cutting government size alone will not improve its efficiency, because its product will fall with its cost of production. I guess one way of doing this is, holding produce constant, is replacing employees, like the police, with robots!

Seems there is a fundamental lack of understanding efficiency here. It is not at all necessary to compare ourselves to others to determine whether we are efficient. For example, multiple organizations with the same purpose are an example of inefficiency. Obama is now recognizing this, although people have been pointing it out for years.

Corporations have a natural mechanism for discovering and correcting inefficiency, but government does not. In many cases it is actually in the best interest of government to be very inefficient. Large conflicts of interest there.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

Doesn't it bother you that most democrats are actually defending Bain Capital? I mean that's not really what people in the other party do to an opponent. But in this case, even democrats are not buying the story and have positive things to say.
We've already had a similar discussion before in another thread. I noted then that I don't know the net effect that Romney had on the various companies he was involved with through Bain. However, it was Max who wrote that he would support Romney IF Gingrich's hit piece was actually accurate and representative. THAT'S what I find peculiar.
 
Quote from Brass:

We've already had a similar discussion before in another thread. I noted then that I don't know the net effect that Romney had on the various companies he was involved with through Bain. However, it was Max who wrote that he would support Romney IF Gingrich's hit piece was actually accurate and representative. THAT'S what I find peculiar.


Well, here's the problem. For 100 years republicans all run on the idea of cutting government only to get elected and actually make it bigger. So if Romney actually is a serious competent guy who actually can effectively cut government, honestly, he would be the first guy in 100 years to do it. There is something appealing if he actually could do it.
 
Quote from Epic:

Seems there is a fundamental lack of understanding efficiency here. It is not at all necessary to compare ourselves to others to determine whether we are efficient. For example, multiple organizations with the same purpose are an example of inefficiency. Obama is now recognizing this, although people have been pointing it out for years.

Corporations have a natural mechanism for discovering and correcting inefficiency, but government does not. In many cases it is actually in the best interest of government to be very inefficient. Large conflicts of interest there.
This is why departments and divisions share best practices, which may already be known somewhere within the organization. If everyone is using their function's best practice, it could well be more efficient to "steal" a better one from the competition (if there is one, hence "comparative").
 
Quote from Maverick74:

Max, it was so funny. Earlier in the cycle when it looked like the Tea Party was in control. They were huge Romney fans over there saying how racist the tea party was and how smart Romney is and how unfortunate it is that the GOP was going to nominate some tea party kook over someone as distinguished as Romney. Now that he is in the lead, they attack him non stop. That's a funny network they have over there. LOL. I can see why RCG watches them. :)

And I can why, and how, you been Foxxed.
 
Quote from Maverick74:

Well, here's the problem. For 100 years republicans all run on the idea of cutting government only to get elected and actually make it bigger. So if Romney actually is a serious competent guy who actually can effectively cut government, honestly, he would be the first guy in 100 years to do it. There is something appealing if he actually could do it.
The picture that Gingrich paints is that Bain left destruction in its wake and that Bain was all about Bain and no one else. I'm not saying this is true, because I do not know enough about the sum of its operations to draw an informed conclusion. However, this is Gingrich's slant. The poster in question was actually drawn to this particular slant, such as it is. I think you're trying to be too clever by half in trying to justify it. Let's just agree that Max probably misspoke. At least I hope he did.
 
Really??? Come on man. If you cant look at the hundreds of articles which have come to surface over the last couple years on government waste, fraud, and abuse, and atleast come to the conclusion that there is areas where we can cut, then there is no helping you.

Even the most far left economicst have to admit that Government is far less efficient then the private sector, that is basic economics.

Quote from Ricter:



But how do we know government is, overall, too inefficient, or too big?
 
BINGO!!

The free market weeds out inefficiency through competition, when given enough time. There is no competition with government programs, and there is no need to remain solvent/profitable, as they can always simply get more money, so government just gets bigger and more inefficient when given enough time.

Quote from Epic:

Corporations have a natural mechanism for discovering and correcting inefficiency, but government does not. In many cases it is actually in the best interest of government to be very inefficient. Large conflicts of interest there.
 
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