Should i put 300k into an S&P 500 ETF?

Sure, an inverse ETF should perform very well over the next 2-3 years. You must be nuts if you truly consider going long at current levels and during the economic shit show that we are all about to witness...

Edit: I get the target investment horizon but it might take over 10 or so years to recover the next mega correction.

I think about selling an appartment and putting the 300k into VOO (Vanguard 500 Index Fund ETF) as my retirement plan. (I'm 30)
This would be my first investment towards retirement.
I did quite a bit of research and if i understand correctly this is one of the safest investments i can make long term/for retirement, right?
I pretty much came to this conclusion after listening to warren buffetts and dave ramseys advice.
(I know dave recommends mutual funds but an S&P 500 ETF i think is very close and the rest of his advice still applies.)

My biggest priority is not loosing the money but growing it so i can retire.
This is not meant to be a short term investment.

So what do you think, should i go for it or are there risks that i'm missing?
Also is there a difference between different S&P 500 ETFs? If so is this a good one and what to watch out for?
(I found VOO because of warren buffett)

I guess i mainly want some confirmation since i'm still pretty new to investing (started a year ago or less).
I THINK my plan is good but of course i do not want to find out it's not by blowing 300k.

Keeping the appartment is not an option.
I also really don't trust "financial advisors".
I'm 100% debt free including a paid off house (which i want to keep) and i'm also anti debt.
I'm currently single.

I pretty much have everything i need so right now i'm mainly worried about protecting myself for retirement
or worse in case i became unable to work.

Also while i made my situation sound very good so far, there is one big problem. I'm not worried for no reason.
Because of personal reasons (not going into details but NOT because i'm lazy) i was not working until recently.
As a result i'm already behind on retirement and now i'm super stressed about not having enough to retire or becoming unable to work.
 
It depends on if you can stomach the ups and downs.
I couldn't. I retired early with what I thought was a reasonable nest egg just before the Tech Wreck in 2001. I watched the account drop by 50%. I didn't sell at the bottom and after a few years it recovered although some of the individual stocks didn't.
With the S&P you'll be better off than with individual stocks because S&P will cull the losers and in the long run has always managed to recover. What you have to consider is if you can stand the drawdown once you are not receiving any other income.
Take a look at David Carters book ; The 12% solution. A market timing strategy of sorts.

Exactly. It's easy to look at backtests, but actually living through daily ups and downs is another story. In theory it looks great, but when you have to withdraw each month, gloom&doom in the media, portfolio shrinks up to -70%, years of no new high, inflation, taxes, unemployment goes up... is far from "safe investment".

It's easy and safe only in a bull market and when you're adding monthly (in prosperous economic times when everyone has a job).
 
Yes, but only if you can handle the ups and downs, you will experience 30-40% draw downs, but over 30 years you should be good.

If you know you can leave it for 30 years even when you go through draw downs, go for it.

The risk that I see and that I have observed over the years is the large drawdown that occurs at or around the time you want/need to retire.When you don't have the luxury of waiting another 20 years for it to appreciate.

OP's been clear about his stance so I'm not questioning it but IMO the best investment to bring returns on ones money and sleep well at night is real estate.

Obviously that's poor advice if basic serviceability of a loan etc is an issue but ideally the investment property would be tenanted and perhaps negatively geared anyway.
 
It’s nice that you have this windfall.

how you invest this will be determined on a few criteria:

1. your other income sources (need to dip into these funds)
2. Your tolerance for risk - Can you withstand a 40percent draw down emotionally and financially
3. Your financial needs today and expected needs in the future. (Tax and drawdown considerations)

No one wants to lose money. How much upside are you willing to give up for that protection. It’s a quantitative answer.

Rather than asking an anonymous forum of traders (who choose to trade actively and the majority of whom don’t have 300k) you should consider talking to a financial advisor.




I think about selling an appartment and putting the 300k into VOO (Vanguard 500 Index Fund ETF) as my retirement plan. (I'm 30)
This would be my first investment towards retirement.
I did quite a bit of research and if i understand correctly this is one of the safest investments i can make long term/for retirement, right?
I pretty much came to this conclusion after listening to warren buffetts and dave ramseys advice.
(I know dave recommends mutual funds but an S&P 500 ETF i think is very close and the rest of his advice still applies.)

My biggest priority is not loosing the money but growing it so i can retire.
This is not meant to be a short term investment.

So what do you think, should i go for it or are there risks that i'm missing?
Also is there a difference between different S&P 500 ETFs? If so is this a good one and what to watch out for?
(I found VOO because of warren buffett)

I guess i mainly want some confirmation since i'm still pretty new to investing (started a year ago or less).
I THINK my plan is good but of course i do not want to find out it's not by blowing 300k.

Keeping the appartment is not an option.
I also really don't trust "financial advisors".
I'm 100% debt free including a paid off house (which i want to keep) and i'm also anti debt.
I'm currently single.

I pretty much have everything i need so right now i'm mainly worried about protecting myself for retirement
or worse in case i became unable to work.

Also while i made my situation sound very good so far, there is one big problem. I'm not worried for no reason.
Because of personal reasons (not going into details but NOT because i'm lazy) i was not working until recently.
As a result i'm already behind on retirement and now i'm super stressed about not having enough to retire or becoming unable to work.
 
Exactly. It's easy to look at backtests, but actually living through daily ups and downs is another story. In theory it looks great, but when you have to withdraw each month, gloom&doom in the media, portfolio shrinks up to -70%, years of no new high, inflation, taxes, unemployment goes up... is far from "safe investment".

It's easy and safe only in a bull market and when you're adding monthly (in prosperous economic times when everyone has a job).

it’s super easy actually to live through it when you are thirty. You don’t log into the account except for 1x a year to mark your net worth and you focus on your 10 year performance.
 
I think about selling an appartment and putting the 300k into VOO (Vanguard 500 Index Fund ETF) as my retirement plan. (I'm 30)
This would be my first investment towards retirement.
I did quite a bit of research and if i understand correctly this is one of the safest investments i can make long term/for retirement, right?
I pretty much came to this conclusion after listening to warren buffetts and dave ramseys advice.

(I know dave recommends mutual funds but an S&P 500 ETF i think is very close and the rest of his advice still applies.)

My biggest priority is not loosing the money but growing it so i can retire.
This is not meant to be a short term investment.

So what do you think, should i go for it or are there risks that i'm missing?
Also is there a difference between different S&P 500 ETFs? If so is this a good one and what to watch out for?
(I found VOO because of warren buffett)

I guess i mainly want some confirmation since i'm still pretty new to investing (started a year ago or less).
I THINK my plan is good but of course i do not want to find out it's not by blowing 300k.

Keeping the appartment is not an option.
I also really don't trust "financial advisors".
I'm 100% debt free including a paid off house (which i want to keep) and i'm also anti debt.
I'm currently single.

I pretty much have everything i need so right now i'm mainly worried about protecting myself for retirement
or worse in case i became unable to work.

Also while i made my situation sound very good so far, there is one big problem. I'm not worried for no reason.
Because of personal reasons (not going into details but NOT because i'm lazy) i was not working until recently.
As a result i'm already behind on retirement and now i'm super stressed about not having enough to retire or becoming unable to work.

Just to comment on the bit in bold:

Buffet isn't opposed to real estate investment.He has invested non passively over the years and still invests passively to this day.I would think that when his businesses are freehold then the real estate equity or appreciation line of the figures is of interest to him.

The reason Munger sits alongside Buffet is largely due to real estate investment.

Just saying that this is far from an open and shut decision for you.
 
A couple contrarian thoughts:

Right now you can make over 5% in 1 month treasuries. No rush to buy anything.
You might want to use that money so you can make max 401k or IRA contributions for a period of years. There might be major tax advantages therevthat easily justify spreading the purchases out over years. Dollar cost average into a brokerage account as well.


I see a few problems with new blindy buying SPY.
Historically, there was a lot less passive money that went into these companies simply for being in the index.
You might have a company with garbage financials, or that is engaged in fraud but so long as it is in the index you'll be automatically buying it.
The Ukrainian war showed us that they are willing to manipulate the content of indexes for political reasons, separate from the stated purpose of an index. When you own an index fund, someone can cause a fire-sale of your investment in company x just by dropping it from the index.
You also have the potential issue of the fund taking your shares and voting them against your interest in pursuit of whatever goals they may have, net zero or whatever.

I would consider taking the SPY, down selecting for say 50 companies, and directly holding the shares.

Of course, this advice if worth exactly what you paid for it :)
 
I think about selling an appartment and putting the 300k into VOO (Vanguard 500 Index Fund ETF) as my retirement plan. (I'm 30)
This would be my first investment towards retirement.
I did quite a bit of research and if i understand correctly this is one of the safest investments i can make long term/for retirement, right?
I pretty much came to this conclusion after listening to warren buffetts and dave ramseys advice.
(I know dave recommends mutual funds but an S&P 500 ETF i think is very close and the rest of his advice still applies.)

My biggest priority is not loosing the money but growing it so i can retire.
This is not meant to be a short term investment.

So what do you think, should i go for it or are there risks that i'm missing?
Also is there a difference between different S&P 500 ETFs? If so is this a good one and what to watch out for?
(I found VOO because of warren buffett)

I guess i mainly want some confirmation since i'm still pretty new to investing (started a year ago or less).
I THINK my plan is good but of course i do not want to find out it's not by blowing 300k.

Keeping the appartment is not an option.
I also really don't trust "financial advisors".
I'm 100% debt free including a paid off house (which i want to keep) and i'm also anti debt.
I'm currently single.

I pretty much have everything i need so right now i'm mainly worried about protecting myself for retirement
or worse in case i became unable to work.

Also while i made my situation sound very good so far, there is one big problem. I'm not worried for no reason.
Because of personal reasons (not going into details but NOT because i'm lazy) i was not working until recently.
As a result i'm already behind on retirement and now i'm super stressed about not having enough to retire or becoming unable to work.
I think about selling an appartment and putting the 300k into VOO (Vanguard 500 Index Fund ETF) as my retirement plan. (I'm 30)
This would be my first investment towards retirement.
I did quite a bit of research and if i understand correctly this is one of the safest investments i can make long term/for retirement, right?
I pretty much came to this conclusion after listening to warren buffetts and dave ramseys advice.
(I know dave recommends mutual funds but an S&P 500 ETF i think is very close and the rest of his advice still applies.)

My biggest priority is not loosing the money but growing it so i can retire.
This is not meant to be a short term investment.

So what do you think, should i go for it or are there risks that i'm missing?
Also is there a difference between different S&P 500 ETFs? If so is this a good one and what to watch out for?
(I found VOO because of warren buffett)

I guess i mainly want some confirmation since i'm still pretty new to investing (started a year ago or less).
I THINK my plan is good but of course i do not want to find out it's not by blowing 300k.

Keeping the appartment is not an option.
I also really don't trust "financial advisors".
I'm 100% debt free including a paid off house (which i want to keep) and i'm also anti debt.
I'm currently single.

I pretty much have everything i need so right now i'm mainly worried about protecting myself for retirement
or worse in case i became unable to work.

Also while i made my situation sound very good so far, there is one big problem. I'm not worried for no reason.
Because of personal reasons (not going into details but NOT because i'm lazy) i was not working until recently.
As a result i'm already behind on retirement and now i'm super stressed about not having enough to retire or becoming unable to work.

I would advise, "not now". The market is likely too close to an important top.

You've got plenty of time... no "need" to go risk-on at this time. Suggest waiting until the market has had a smashola where you can buy share on the cheap.
 
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